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Post by terroreign on May 19, 2008 13:53:00 GMT -5
How am I "biased"? Are you kidding me, I have no reason to be biased, Macedonian slavs are people too, its you who doesnt understand that.
Do you want to be lectured right now on how nations are formed and created? All nations and ethnic groups didnt just drop out of the sky pal, Macedonians are just as much an ethnic group as are Bulgarians. And you are a biased person because you yoruself are a Bulgarian, it is for you impossible to think through logically and let go of your personal complex rooted from your ethnic ties.
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Post by pagane on May 19, 2008 14:04:39 GMT -5
Even you are some sort of person, Toro, although one with highly doubtful level of knowledge about Balkan ethnicities.
From what I have read from you so far, this would be a lecture that ought to be missed.
To the surprise of evryone, Toro is right again. Even more, Bulgarians and macedonians are the same ethnic group. He was so close...
This one coming from the montenegrin albanian who denies his ties with Serbs....no comment needed.
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Post by terroreign on May 19, 2008 15:01:24 GMT -5
^^Ha ha, your knowledge is so clearly hollow its laughable
Did you want to have a discussion or just your usual 8-year old mother goose jokes
FACT: The german ethnicity didn't exist 400 years ago, shall we go on? ;D
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Post by pagane on May 19, 2008 15:08:57 GMT -5
Another fact, Toto. Fyromian ethnicity didn't exist until 50 years ago.
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Post by terroreign on May 19, 2008 15:43:45 GMT -5
^Actually it would be 60 years according to your logic.
But you forget to mention the fact that there are local and turkish sources pointing out a macedonian slav ethnicity during the early 1900's
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Post by Rhezus on May 19, 2008 17:03:52 GMT -5
Don't you understand.. Macedonian ppl will never be Greek or Bulgarians - they never really were. These ppl have own country and territory which no one can lay further demands. Live with it! I hope one day they'll proudly bear the real name of Macedonia. As for the Greek.. they should calm down and learn. It's impossible to get everything they wish. Greece and Hellass - two names already.
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Post by terroreign on May 19, 2008 18:10:54 GMT -5
Greece should rename itself Hellas, and stop using the term "greece"
Its so funny I ask an American, "Do you know where Hellas is?" they tell me "You mean hell?" lol
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Post by panagiotopoulos on May 19, 2008 18:52:52 GMT -5
Greece should rename itself Hellas, and stop using the term "greece" Its so funny I ask an American, "Do you know where Hellas is?" they tell me "You mean hell?" lol Schmuck, Greece already calls itself HELLAS, it is outsiders who call it Greece.
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Post by terroreign on May 19, 2008 18:57:37 GMT -5
^^Why do you let them? Isn't that a mockery of your hellenic identity to be called by the rest of the world your Provencial Roman name?
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Post by Kubrat on May 19, 2008 19:58:12 GMT -5
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Post by Rhezus on May 20, 2008 6:42:45 GMT -5
I give you some credits for that..
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Post by Kassandros on May 21, 2008 9:30:05 GMT -5
Rhezous
"Don't you understand.. Macedonian ppl will never be Greek or Bulgarians - they never really were. " -------------------------------------------------------------------- Dont you understand also that 2 million Macedonian people leaving in Macedonia will never become SlavoFyromians?
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Post by Rhezus on May 21, 2008 14:21:45 GMT -5
Wasn't you country called Greece, Hellas?!.. If i'd visit Macedonia I go to Rep. of Macedonia.. You are Greek - not any Macedonians. And the most important, you have absolutely no right to stop others identifying as Macedonians. I could understand you if for ex. they wanted to have the name Greece. Macedonia is just the right name for them. Historically the areas were Macedone kingdom and had that name before. So, you cannot deny that. P.S. "SalvoFyromians" is your own invention, whish so freaking sick..
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Post by Arxileas on May 21, 2008 18:57:39 GMT -5
You are Greek - not any Macedonians. And the most important, you have absolutely no right to stop others identifying as Macedonians. Yes we do have the right to stop others from using our ancient identity, to be a Macedonian is to be a Greek. The Macedonians never were a nation BUT a Greek city state just like Sparta, Attica aka Athens etc; in fact over 200 Greek city states in ancient times. RoM is a recent invention by father Tito, slavmacedonians they were refered to by us and neighbours BECAUSE from 1940's and up they were of Slavic, prior to that they were refered to as Bulgarians. The U.N knows it as FYROM the name RoM is illegal. Hence why the name despute....
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Post by Kassandros on May 22, 2008 2:41:45 GMT -5
Rhezous "Wasn't you country called Greece, Hellas?!." -------------------------------------------------------- yeap! . "If i'd visit Macedonia I go to Rep. of Macedonia.." ---------------------------------------------- Wrong! If you want to visit the palace of King of Macedonians or the capitals of ancient Macedonians or all the cultural leftovers.. you visit just the region of Macedonia "You are Greek - not any Macedonians. And the most important, you have absolutely no right to stop others identifying as Macedonians. " ------------------------------------------------------------------- You have just did it You dont allow me to self determination.. Dont talk to me about rights smarty lol lol "P.S. "SalvoFyromians" is your own invention, whish so freaking sick.." ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Why.. arent they of Slavic origin? How can I separate them from the real Macedonians withouth Slavic origins? Show me the way..
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Post by tsompanos on May 22, 2008 5:14:01 GMT -5
I dont understand how bulgarians belive they are thracian , i mean my roots from my fathers side are from northern Thrace and im 100% greek , thracian was similar to greek both phrygian and balkan Thrace , from the little words that are written around wich also happen to be written in the greek alphabet. it was most likely like what pontian is today to most other greeks , its greek but most dont understand what they are saying , anyway after after Alexanders conquest and the years that went they where almost completely hellenised the question is that many historians think over now is if they really where hellenised or if they where as much hellenes as other ones . Their culture was very hellenic plus they shared so much culturally with other greeks if you look at paintings and art and other stuff that survived to today , if you look at Bulgaria today its also full of greek theaters and other ruins the most known thracians are known through greek history by the byzantine time Thrace was no doubtly greek 110 % greek infact Constantinople the capitol of byzantium is in Thrace.
Now in the year 600 the bulgars come they speak a turkic language if im not wrong i dont know , they are enemys of byzantium and their kingdom was what is southern Romania today , today Bulgaria speak a slavic language.
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Post by blagun on May 22, 2008 11:30:19 GMT -5
i mean my roots from my fathers side are from northern Thrace Are you a Pomak or something? I dont understand how bulgarians belive they are thracian What exactly is the thing that you can't understand?There aren't many Bulgarians that believe that we ARE Thracians,but genetically(from all modern day Balkan nations)Bulgarians are the closest descendants of the Thracians.
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Post by tsompanos on May 22, 2008 12:15:12 GMT -5
no im not a pomak , im romylian , actually im not even sure if its northern or eastern thrace where im from i will have to ask my grandmother next time i see her anyway where are those studies? i want to see them
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Post by Rhezus on May 24, 2008 9:43:17 GMT -5
Ooo, romylian.. Is that another name for greek, as well as thracian, macedonian?! Maybe there are even more ethnicities you consider as "greek", like armen, bushmen.. You don't know what you probably are.
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Post by tsompanos on May 24, 2008 9:51:28 GMT -5
eastern romylia is the name for the part of thrace thats in bulgaria today i know very well what i am , your the one that has no idea what you are
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