Rhezus
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Post by Rhezus on May 24, 2008 10:06:23 GMT -5
I'm the real Thracian, you're not (if you insist being a greek).. East Romelia was invented name - the real one was Thrace. After the romanization period Thracians considered themselves as Roman citizen and that's why thei even were "romanoi" (Roman citizen). After the split of Roman empire in two parts, Thracians still considered themselves as Roman citizen - romanoi. But that means no greek.
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Post by tsompanos on May 24, 2008 10:17:11 GMT -5
haha romanoi infact does mean greek , why do you think some turks still today call us rum WHAT DO YOU THINK ROMIOISINI is and why the majority of vlachs/aromans consider themselfs of greek ancestry to. if you heard that word before and i am a thracian and romios , now you do the math if you can.
but what you are i dont know , search it yourself. You should start in where the bulgars came from
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Post by Kassandros on May 24, 2008 10:52:49 GMT -5
Rhezus "After the romanization period Thracians considered themselves as Roman citizen and that's why thei even were "romanoi" (Roman citizen). After the split of Roman empire in two parts, Thracians still considered themselves as Roman citizen - romanoi. But that means no greek." ----------------------------------------------------------------........................................ lol lol He didnt even know they call us Romious.. lol lol So Rhezus... Thracians were calling themselves the same with Greeks?! I think I know why! Rhezus... if you're a Thracian as you incist... then most propably I must call you.. BROTHER! since we both are romanoi... right? lol lol
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Post by Rhezus on May 24, 2008 11:49:10 GMT -5
Listern well.. The whole region (Thracia, Illyria, Dacia, etc. Greece icl. too) was under Roman and later Byzantine rule. Still no Greece. Byzantine citizen called themselves Romanoi until the very last emperor honorably died on the walls of Constantinople. They were a multiethnic empire.. their greatest general Belisarius was of thraco/slavic descent and their greatest emperor Justinian was of Illyrian descent. Constantin the Great and her mother's origin was from Serdica/Sofia. Most of the rulers were of non-Greek origin. With your locigs, whole Romania would be "greeks".. You are so confused that you don't know what you're talking about.. The Turkish term Rum comes from the Arabic word Rum. Rum is the Arabic plural of Rumi. Rum is someone who belongs to 'Rumiah', the Arabic name for Rome!
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Post by tsompanos on May 24, 2008 12:08:45 GMT -5
Your so fed up with bulls**t its impossible to talk to you even others in Europe considered it GREEK (Eastern Roman Empire a.k.a Byzantium) The last Emperor of Byzantium was Konstantinos Paleologos its just pointless with you i have noticed your extreme anti greekness. Romanian is not the same as Romoi and its actually thanks to the Byzantines that we know much of ancient Greece they knew their heritage and they valued it and THEY STATE PLENTY OF TIMES THEIR HELLENIC ORIGIN IN MANY DIFFERENT OCCASIONS.
by the way do you live in Sweden?
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Post by Rhezus on May 24, 2008 12:18:24 GMT -5
Haha.. The fact is that no one consider it as such (except some ppl like you). All knew/know Byzantium was multi ethnic empire and all citizen had Roman conciousness. Yes, why do you ask?.. It has no point where I live.
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Post by tsompanos on May 24, 2008 12:30:00 GMT -5
I asked so i can come rape you , nah just kidding i just saw that it said location SWE and asked.
By the way those some people are not me today those people lived in the same time as the Byzantine empire excisted , and the Byzantine empire was considered a multi ethnic empire untill it lost its territories in Egypt , Syria , Israel , Armenia and some other places
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Post by Rhezus on May 24, 2008 13:00:30 GMT -5
Aha, you maybe are interested in playing on the magic, Thracian flute.. Look.. There was no Greek empire. Before judging history using modern prejudice, you have to understand the nature of things as they were in their own times. The Roman identity is not restricted to the people of Rome, the way modern history textbooks present it. As it was practiced, the Roman identity was a matter of citizenship and political belongingness. At the foundation of Rome, Romans had no linguistic identity. The first Romans were formed from Latins, Sabines and slaves. Later, the senate started sending colonies outside Rome, whose members were not always native to Rome but who had Roman citizenship. Later Italy became totally Roman; different languages were spoken into it but later Latin dominated. All the empire was Roman, although speaking different languages with the dominance of two: Latin and Greek. The Roman identity was mainly: political, legal, cultural and religious. Political by belonging to the politeia of Rome (and later New Rome Constantinople) and by having the right to vote. Legal by following Roman law. Cultural by being educated according to Greek-Roman paideia. Religious by following the Greek-Roman religion which was flexible through the addition of new gods and cults. With the beginning of the 7th century AD, the situation was not the same, but all the descendents of those granted citizenship in 212 existed still and by right of inheritence they remained Romans (Romaioi). Just look at the Oxyrhynchus Papyri (published under this same title) and you will see in documents from the 7th century in Egypt many people holding the Roman gentilice Aurelius which gentilice was given by Caracalla (M. Aurelius Caracalla) in 212.
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Post by tsompanos on May 24, 2008 13:55:21 GMT -5
Dude and what did i tell you , romiosini look it up , the eastern roman empire was called greek empire because first of they conisdered their ancestors greeks , second the eastern roman empire where mostly of places where the majority of the population was greek , greek was the main language etc they where romans only by law and political structure.
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Post by terroreign on May 24, 2008 20:08:04 GMT -5
Romanoi means Roman, and a Roman's language is Latin not greek
In the roman empire Hellens were most known for being slaves and servants of higher up Roman Citizens
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