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Post by markosijekira on Aug 9, 2008 5:19:42 GMT -5
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Post by markosijekira on Aug 9, 2008 5:27:36 GMT -5
Georgia declares war!!!!!Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili has made a formal declaration of war against Russia.Saakashvili has officially gone mad, this is the first official declaration of war since the end of world war II . He is desperate to try get the west Involved, rumors have it Georgian forces are in complete retreat out of south Ossetia www.radionetherlands.nl/news/international/5911562/Georgia-declares-war
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Post by markosijekira on Aug 9, 2008 5:31:36 GMT -5
"The Georgian Foreign Ministry, issued a statement calling on the international community to “give Russia the message that invading the territory of a sovereign state and bombing its territory is unacceptable in the 21st century.”" And he says this in light of all that has happend in the last 10 years, and lets not forget Georgien troops in a country (Iraq) that was a sovereign state that got bombed the shit out of and invaded, yeah unacceptable! Welcome to the new century boys and girls, it's gonna be a hellova ride!!
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Post by Fender on Aug 9, 2008 5:34:36 GMT -5
Georgia declares war!!!!!Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili has made a formal declaration of war against Russia.Saakashvili has officially gone mad, this is the first official declaration of war since the end of world war II . He is desperate to try get the west Involved, rumors have it Georgian forces are in complete retreat out of south Ossetia www.radionetherlands.nl/news/international/5911562/Georgia-declares-war There are reports upon reports that Saakashvili has had this whole thing backfire on him. There is not one military analysrt that has come out and stated that the West will run to his aid. The man is suicidal taking on Russia. Georgia is not worth it for the west.
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Post by CiKoLa on Aug 9, 2008 5:40:37 GMT -5
When NATO entered and bombed Kosovo ... the serbs screamed 'aggression', 'illegal move' etc.
I wonder what they would call this?
Oh the irony.
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Post by Fender on Aug 9, 2008 5:53:39 GMT -5
When NATO entered and bombed Kosovo ... the serbs screamed 'aggression', 'illegal move' etc. I wonder what they would call this? Oh the irony. Oh uneducated one. Russia were already in their as UN peace keepers. Georgia fired first. Oh the irony.
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Post by CiKoLa on Aug 9, 2008 5:55:59 GMT -5
^^ The irony is just killing you. ROFL.
Russia sells out serbia and international law ... that must be hurting. They might as well recognise Kosovo now. LOL.
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Post by Fender on Aug 9, 2008 5:58:03 GMT -5
^^ The irony is just killing you. ROFL. Russia sells out serbia and international law ... that must be hurting. They might as well recognise Kosovo now. LOL. You should really stop trying to palm off your views as facts, you are embarrassing yourself, again.
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Post by CiKoLa on Aug 9, 2008 6:02:42 GMT -5
^^ Not much seems to be going your way .. now does it.
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Post by SKORIC on Aug 9, 2008 6:11:29 GMT -5
If Serbian troops went into kosovo (even before its declaration of independance) and killed American peacekeepers, you dont think America would act? Sure Russia is using double standards against south ossetia and kosovo. But so are the US and EU. Russia has just as much right, if not more to go into south ossetia since America can go into whichever country they please even if the UN doesnt approve. Atleast in this case South ossetia borders Russia and has Russian citizens.
You can say Serbs have double standards in this but so do all of you. Supporting Goargias territorial integrity but not Serbia's, and then accusing Serbs of the opposite is still a double standard.
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Post by Pejoni on Aug 9, 2008 6:15:15 GMT -5
We see why Russia helped Serbia, not for they feelt sorry but for south ossetia and control the pipelines
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Post by Pejoni on Aug 9, 2008 6:17:16 GMT -5
If Serbian troops went into kosovo (even before its declaration of independance) and killed American peacekeepers, you dont think America would act? Sure Russia is using double standards against south ossetia and kosovo. But so are the US and EU. Russia has just as much right, if not more to go into south ossetia since America can go into whichever country they please even if the UN doesnt approve. Atleast in this case South ossetia borders Russia and has Russian citizens. You can say Serbs have double standards in this but so do all of you. Supporting Goargias territorial integrity but not Serbia's, and then accusing Serbs of the opposite is still a double standard. You wouldnt be able killing American troops, we alone we take care of you. 500.000 ilegal weapons are around in Kosova, more then Georgia has. Its not -98 today.
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Post by CiKoLa on Aug 9, 2008 6:35:32 GMT -5
^ If Georgia really wanted Russia to respect its territorial integrity then firing upon Russian troops and Russ civilians is not something they should have done. If serbia wanted the international community to respect its borders it would not have launched an ethnic cleansing campaign against the Albanians. Oh the hypocrisy.
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Post by fukara on Aug 9, 2008 6:53:23 GMT -5
Sakasvili is going to get him self killed, there is no way they can make it against Russian Federation troops, this is not the army of Boris Yeltsin, but of Putin..
Has he gone mad? This would be like Canada attacking America... lol
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Post by SKORIC on Aug 9, 2008 7:38:18 GMT -5
If Serbian troops went into kosovo (even before its declaration of independance) and killed American peacekeepers, you dont think America would act? Sure Russia is using double standards against south ossetia and kosovo. But so are the US and EU. Russia has just as much right, if not more to go into south ossetia since America can go into whichever country they please even if the UN doesnt approve. Atleast in this case South ossetia borders Russia and has Russian citizens. You can say Serbs have double standards in this but so do all of you. Supporting Goargias territorial integrity but not Serbia's, and then accusing Serbs of the opposite is still a double standard. You wouldnt be able killing American troops, we alone we take care of you. 500.000 ilegal weapons are around in Kosova, more then Georgia has. Its not -98 today. Stop talking out of your ass, silly boy Serbia being able to kill American troops or not wasnt the point of my post.
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Post by Demonel on Aug 9, 2008 8:03:57 GMT -5
'The war in South Ossetia could be the most dangerous flashpoint since the Cuban crisis', says top historian
By Mark Almond Last updated at 3:11 AM on 09th August 2008
Yesterday a small war in the Caucasus became a major international flashpoint. Until now, almost no one had heard of Georgia's breakaway region of South Ossetia.
But as Russian tanks and troops rolled into the disputed territory from the north, after Georgian troops invaded from the south, the world suddenly faced a major crisis.
South Ossetia has a population of fewer than 100,000 and is nestled on the southern slopes of the mountainous Caucasus region which divides Europe and Asia.
US President George Bush chats with Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin in Beijing yesterday. The world awaits America's reaction
The region is riven with ancient tribal rivalries between its mountain peoples, and this has often led to warfare in the past.
The tribes of the Caucasus have fought each other since history began and long memories and grievances have fed a vendetta culture.
In the past, their skirmishes have gone unnoticed. But today a conflict in the Caucasus could draw in the world's great powers.
A glance at the map shows why Russia is involved. The disputed land lies on Russia's southern border which, ever since the breakup of the Soviet Union, has bitterly resented Georgia's independence.
Since 1992, South Ossetia has run its own affairs after defeating a rag-tag Georgian army's attempt to control it.
Most inhabitants of breakaway South Ossetia have now opted for Russian passports rather than Georgian ones.
War: A South Ossetian separatist fighter ready for battle
Russian troops have patrolled the dividing line between the Georgian troops and Ossetians as 'peace-keepers' for the last 15 years and Russia has suffered casualties in skirmishes between the two sides.
But the West, too, has interests in the region. Running through Georgia from the Caspian Sea in the east to the Black Sea is an oil pipeline bringing BP's crude from Azerbaijan to the West.
Anyone filling their car's petrol tank this weekend won't need reminding how sensitive an issue oil supplies are at the moment.
For the Georgian government, the pipeline crossing the country is a guarantee of Western support against their local, Russian-backed enemies in South Ossetia.
Georgian president Mikheil Saakashvili does everything he can to endear himself to the West in general and America in particular as the obvious counter-weight to Russia.
George W. Bush's portrait is widely displayed in Georgia. (Vladimir Putin is the political pinup for Ossetians.) President Saakashvili makes no bones about his desire to join Nato.
Predictably, the Kremlin's reaction to that has been one of fury.
American contractors and other Nato personnel have been involved in training the Georgian army and helping plan its operations, and the Russians see this as proof that the West was behind the sudden strike into South Ossetia this week.
As a result, the Russian army launched its own massive counter-stroke. The risk is that just as Russian 'peacekeepers' have been killed by the Georgian attack so the Nato personnel advising Georgian forces may take casualties as the Russians blast back.
If a Nato soldier is killed by a Russian shell the global temperature will rise alarmingly.
This is a high stakes game - and not just for Georgia.
Flashpoint: Soviet Leader Nikita Khrushchev in a meeting with President John F Kennedy (right) during the cuban missile crisis in 1962
For the deep involvement of Russia and the U.S. in this ostensibly local skirmish means the world is suddenly closer to a clash of nuclear superpowers than it has been since the Cuban missile crisis of 1962.
At least then Kennedy and Khrushchev were in charge of their countries' policies and could negotiate as if playing a chess match between superpower grandmasters.
But this time local Caucasian warlords are muddying the waters for both the White House and the Kremlin. Yet it is not the Cold War which offers the best historical guide to the crisis which threatens world peace.
In many ways it is the assassination by Serbs of Archduke Ferdinand of Austria in Sarajevo in 1914 that prefigures the messy, complicated and often irrationally aggressive politics of the Caucasus today.
This, of course, was an event which appeared to be the result of local grievances but, because of the alliegances of the then great powers, had a domino effect which spiralled into the Great War. On that occasion, Austria and its ally Germany demanded that Serbia be punished.
But Britain backed Russia's support for Serbia - ironically in the light of the present crisis, Russia was then our ally. The result was worldwide slaughter.
Neither Russia nor the West wants this conflict in the Caucasus to get out of hand. But history shows that small countries can draw their patrons into a war which is not of their choosing.
The West, led by the U.S., will not want to be seen to let down its local partner. Likewise, Russia will want to stand by South Ossetia.
What happened in the Balkans in 1914 is the classic example of lesser allies drawing their powerful backers into a conflict which had nothing to do with them directly.
And I fear that the South Ossetia could be a terrible trigger point for our time, just as Sarajevo was in 1914.
<p>In 1919, only five years after Sarajevo, our foreign secretary Arthur Balfour opposed getting involved in the civil wars then convulsing the Caucasus.
<p>He told the Cabinet: 'If they want to cut their own throats why do we not let them do it?. I should say we are not going to spend all our money and men in civilising a few people who do not want to be civilised.'
<p>Idealists will be horrified by such attitudes, but people who remember how catastrophic wars get started by chivalrous interventions should beware of taking sides. If Russia respects our real interests in the region, why should we fight to decide whether Georgians rule Ossetians or vice-versa?
<p>Does either Moscow or Washington really want to go over the brink for the sake of a small partner? We avoided superpower mutual suicide during the Cold War but could this Caucasus conflict trigger it today?
<p>Both George Bush and Vladimir Putin are in Beijing and have been talking about the crisis. Let us hope and pray that they act together to win an Olympic gold for peacemaking.
Mark Almond is a lecturer in modern history at Oriel College, Oxford.
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Post by ilirdardani on Aug 9, 2008 8:33:07 GMT -5
Russian air strikes have hit Gori, a Georgian town near the breakaway region of South Ossetia. Blocks of flats were among the buildings hit. Many civilians were killed and wounded, including this woman lying injured in the rubble of a block of flats. Many people have been left in shock and grief as the fighting intensifies. Streets have been turned into rubble under the Russian bombardment. This unidentified plane dropped bombs near Gori on Friday. Russian jets later attacked several military targets in the town, Georgian officials said. Georgian reservists massed in Gori on Saturday, preparing for battle in South Ossetia. Georgia's president described the conflict as "a state of war". Some Georgian reservists gathered near a statue of the Soviet dictator Josef Stalin, who was born in Gori. Moscow ruled Georgia in the Soviet era. Gori has been drawn into the conflict zone - this man stands in a bomb crater in the Georgian town.
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Post by Fender on Aug 9, 2008 9:07:19 GMT -5
^^ Not much seems to be going your way .. now does it. Still peddling your fairytales.
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Post by SuperAlbanian on Aug 9, 2008 12:04:39 GMT -5
Stop deleting my comments just because you do not like them!! I did not break any forum rules other than expressed my opinion on the Russia Geogia case... Please guys... Give it a break... I know you have a problem hearing an opposite view to yours but just for once... Stop deleting posts unneccesarily.
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Post by SuperAlbanian on Aug 9, 2008 12:07:37 GMT -5
I will AGAIN express my view and hope that it does not get deleted ( I will print screen this).
I think Russia is being very hypacritical when it comes to supporting Ossetia and not Kosovo. They both sit the same wagon. You cannot support one and not the other if in the case Ossetians are being driven from their homes.
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