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Post by macmako on Apr 10, 2009 23:17:36 GMT -5
I know all about the compartments of Greece. I am not referring to them. I am referring to the BS from Greeks who can not say they are Greek. "I am Macedonian"! That is BS because they do not speak Macedonian, they speak Greek.
I am not afraid to say that I am Greek and proud of it. I am not afraid to say that I am Macedonian and proud of that, too. I do not make up stupid idiotic names to call another people. That behavior comes from weak and empty minds, which embarrasses the hell out of this Greek because I know Greeks are better than that.
The Hellenization you speak of had already happened. Big Greek program of Hellenization between WWI and WWII in Northern Greece.
By the way, the Republic of Macedonia IS NOT MINE. You act as if I am the owner or President of this country. Sorry. None of my people are from the borders of the Republic of Macedonia. Thanks anyway.
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Post by macmako on Apr 10, 2009 23:20:22 GMT -5
Macedonia might also have a problem with Bulgaria if they don't stop their anti-Bulgarianism and claiming our history Oh sh.it! What are they going to do now?
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Post by Novi Pazar on Apr 10, 2009 23:33:54 GMT -5
"The Hellenization you speak of had already happened. Big Greek program of Hellenization between WWI and WWII in Northern Greece."
B.S!.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Apr 11, 2009 0:30:05 GMT -5
I am referring to the BS from Greeks who can not say they are Greek. "I am Macedonian"! That is BS because they do not speak Macedonian, they speak Greek. then, what do you think they mean saying "Macedonia is Greek"! if they have a problem to say they are greeks? I hope you understand the paradox BS here. Also, in the same spirit you want greeks to stop claiming being macedons, i would also ask you remember that you are a yugoslav and forget all about macedonia. Deal? (even if we had a deal, obama would not let it go that easily).
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Post by Sh1 Shonić on Apr 11, 2009 0:43:11 GMT -5
Tose Proeski is not really Slav. He is Cincar. FYI.
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Post by Kubrat on Apr 11, 2009 0:43:35 GMT -5
you'ld be surprised how little influence and power FYRM has..so i wouldn't be so sarcastic when Bulgaria can block your NATO, UN, and EU accession...and any future union you are not a part off and want to be a part off
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Apr 11, 2009 1:24:20 GMT -5
Tose Proeski is not really Slav. He is Cincar. FYI. I see, cincar you mean vlachs... Well he certainly has a vlah face, but so do half of the balkanians. I mean wasnt serbia inhabited by vlahs (Konstantine of NIS) before slavs arrived? What all those dark faced non-gypsy serbs found in Serbia? Mavrovlahs of course. (black vlahs). After all, returning to Tose, how can he not be a slav, when he speaks slav language for all his life, and losing his life during a tour to another slav land (croatia), where he used to sing ofcourse slav songs? Slav is not only about strict genes (if there is such a definition at all), but about culture and language.
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Post by ioan on Apr 11, 2009 3:49:23 GMT -5
you'ld be surprised how little influence and power FYRM has..so i wouldn't be so sarcastic when Bulgaria can block your NATO, UN, and EU accession...and any future union you are not a part off and want to be a part off i was about to say it.
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Post by Kassandros on Apr 11, 2009 4:31:23 GMT -5
BigMac "I know all about the compartments of Greece. I am not referring to them. I am referring to the BS from Greeks who can not say they are Greek. "I am Macedonian"! That is BS because they do not speak Macedonian, they speak Greek." ------------------------------------------------------------------- So.. according to you.... a Macedonian like me... with origins in the land of ancient Macedonia....who speaks the language Alexander the Macedon was speaking... and has the same ideas for spreading Hellenism... cannot be called Macedonian. ..on the other hand... you... with origins out of the land of ancient Macedonia....that does not speak the language Macedonian King was speaking... and having exactly the oposite ideas Macedonian King has about spreading Hellenism..... can be called Macedonian..? Am I the only one that sees a paradox here? "I am not afraid to say that I am Greek and proud of it. I am not afraid to say that I am Macedonian and proud of that, too. I do not make up stupid idiotic names to call another people. That behavior comes from weak and empty minds, which embarrasses the hell out of this Greek because I know Greeks are better than that." -------------------------------------------------------- So... a Bavarian that prouds declares he is German... is a weak and empty mind? PS. What happened to your slogan on "self-determination of people"?! Do you refuse to a Macedonian like me, to self-determine myself?! Got you!!!! lol lol "The Hellenization you speak of had already happened. Big Greek program of Hellenization between WWI and WWII in Northern Greece." --------------------------------------------------------- Means... Alexander the Great was "Hellenized"... in WW1 and WW2 ? (Lets not forget he was spreading Hellenism....) "By the way, the Republic of Macedonia IS NOT MINE. You act as if I am the owner or President of this country. Sorry. None of my people are from the borders of the Republic of Macedonia. Thanks anyway" ------------------------------------------------------------------ Since I cannot exchange e-mails with Gruevski and since Risto does not answer my e-mails or refuses to give answers... we have to speak with somebody from this country... and unfortunately... its you C'est la vie..
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Apr 11, 2009 5:05:04 GMT -5
Basilmakedon, also Nikola is from Skopia (the city) and he is very cool and rational.
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Post by Sh1 Shonić on Apr 11, 2009 12:07:39 GMT -5
After all, returning to Tose, how can he not be a slav, when he speaks slav language for all his life, and losing his life during a tour to another slav land (croatia), where he used to sing ofcourse slav songs? Slav is not only about strict genes (if there is such a definition at all), but about culture and language. Cincars are kind of Vlachs but they differentiate them self from Vlachs. I am not sure what was Toses mother (native tongue) but it may be "Cincarski" which is close to Romanian. I have a friend called Goran Godzo, he is Cincar from Makedonija (FYROM) and he consider himself first Cincar and then Makedonian (FYROMian, Skopian.....). About language........ Jews in Greece speak mainly Greek and in Serbia - Serbian but they do not consider them self Serbs or Greeks. Bulgarians are not originally Slavs but they speak Slav language (I am risking now, I might be attacked (again) from some Bulgarian members ;D ) .
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Post by Kassandros on Apr 11, 2009 12:28:57 GMT -5
"Basilmakedon, also Nikola is from Skopia (the city) and he is very cool and rational." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I dont doubt it. They seem so.... For sure, regardless the fact they're both cool and rational... they're not Macedonians. Thats what our cool and calm discussion is for..
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Post by ioan on Apr 11, 2009 12:35:19 GMT -5
Bulgarians are not originally Slavs but they speak Slav language (I am risking now, I might be attacked (again) from some Bulgarian members ;D ) . Yes you know you d be attacked. All the Serbs try to equalate BULGARS and BULGARIANS. But they are different. Bulgars are one of the people (together with Slavs and Thracians) that mixed to form the Bulgarian nation. Serbs tend to love to make the fyroms believe that Bulgarians are just Bulgars. And since little is known about the origin of the Bulgars, they say that Bulgars are Tatars so we must be Tatars. THE TRUTH: Bulgars are one of the people (with Slavs and Thracians) that mixed to form the Bulgarians. Bulgars have discussed origin: they are considered to be either Turkic, Iranian or Ugrofinnic. They are far from defined. And may I add that if we equalete the Serbs with the ORIGINAL SERBS, we must conclude that Serbs are also NOT slavic. So Bulgars might not have been Slavs, but BULGARIANS are a slavic nation. We are linguistically slavic so that means that probably the slavs were more numerous than the Bulgars and the Thracians. The same can be said of the Serbs.
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Post by Sh1 Shonić on Apr 11, 2009 13:02:47 GMT -5
Bulgaria was named after Bulgars otherwise it would not be called Bulgaria. They might be ( I am sure there are) some Slavs but majority (originally) are not. Same goes for Serbia. Serbia is named after Serbs and sure there are also some other nation (mixed or not mixed) within Serbian nation.
To make myself clear I have nothing against Bulgarians, I consider them kind of relatives (brothers) and I am glad that we share some common things. I am just trying to be rational.
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Post by ioan on Apr 11, 2009 13:30:54 GMT -5
Bulgaria was named after Bulgars otherwise it would not be called Bulgaria. . Yeah Bulgaria was named after the Bulgars and yes, todays name of our nation Bulgarians also derives from the Bulgars. However that doesnt mean the Bulgars equal Bulgarians. Bulgarians are deffinately a slavic nation (the language) and also a typical balcanic nation (most probably through the Thracians and the Greek influence). And how exactly do you know the presentages of the Bulgars, the Slavs or the Thracians? What we know is that we today speak slavic language which means that the slavic contribution is very big. This is also attested in every Greek source: that lots of slavs lived in present day Bulgaria. I think we also have alot of native (thracian) genes. So u say Serbs are not Slavic? They are Iranian since the first Serbs were not slavs but Iranians?
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Post by macmako on Apr 12, 2009 23:31:11 GMT -5
What does this:
...have to do with my post here:
I have no clue.
What does it have to do with simple minded Greeks making up stupid names to refer to other peoples (like the stupid names you refer to Macedonians of the Republic of Macedonia)?
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Post by macmako on Apr 12, 2009 23:32:56 GMT -5
"The Hellenization you speak of had already happened. Big Greek program of Hellenization between WWI and WWII in Northern Greece." B.S!. Really? BS to your denial!!
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Post by macmako on Apr 12, 2009 23:34:11 GMT -5
I am referring to the BS from Greeks who can not say they are Greek. "I am Macedonian"! That is BS because they do not speak Macedonian, they speak Greek. then, what do you think they mean saying "Macedonia is Greek"! if they have a problem to say they are greeks? I hope you understand the paradox BS here. Also, in the same spirit you want greeks to stop claiming being macedons, i would also ask you remember that you are a yugoslav and forget all about macedonia. Deal? (even if we had a deal, obama would not let it go that easily). I speak of Greeks saying "I am Macedonian". If so, then speak Macedonian, or shut up! My dear. I am Greek and Macedonian. My Macedonian family has never been Yugoslav, nor have they lived or were born in Yugoslavia. My entire family, both Macedonian (the Slavic kind if you are confused) and Greek were born in 1. The Province of Macedonia during the Ottoman days and Asia Minor 2. Then after 1917 and 1923, they were born in Greece (The Macedonians) and Southern Russia (The Greeks). It is so simple to understand, but you choose to be confused. So be it.
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Post by ioan on Apr 13, 2009 11:35:29 GMT -5
MacMako the so called Macedonians identified as BULGARIANS.
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Post by Kassandros on Apr 13, 2009 18:22:52 GMT -5
BigMaco "What does it have to do with simple minded Greeks making up stupid names to refer to other peoples (like the stupid names you refer to Macedonians of the Republic of Macedonia)?" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- tell me a name to call you and I will do it. No problem with it. You choose the name..and I follow. Just dont tell me... my name. That would be very weird..!! Simple. "I speak of Greeks saying "I am Macedonian". If so, then speak Macedonian, or shut up!" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What if those Greeks saying "i'm Macedonian"....dont speak Bulgarian? Would you adress the same question to Alexander the Great the King of Macedonians? Would you ask for him to speak that "Slavic dialect".. or else to shut up?! For one more time... a paradox.. Really now dude... do you love humiliation or you do it on purpose?
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