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Post by Arxileas on Apr 3, 2009 0:04:31 GMT -5
Macedonian Identity "To Be Defined"Skopje | 02 April 2009 | The European Commission has decided to redefine the terms “Macedonian”, “Macedonians” and country code “MK” in its institutional style guide, Erik Meijer, European Parliament Rapporteur for Macedonia, suspects. According to information obtained by Eric Meijer, these terms now in common use are to be replaced with the designation "to be defined", in order to satisfy Greece's objections to the name "Macedonia". The “altered” style guide is not yet available to the public. Meijer was cited by the Macedonian national news agency, MIA, asking the EC whether it takes into account that this only complicates matters by taking the “name” row into new and “very sensitive” fields of national identity that will be “impossible to solve". However, in an interview for local Alfa TV this afternoon Meijer said he got reassured by the EC that this means nothing in practice. “It means the situation will not change” and the terms will remain in use, he said. Athens blocked Skopje last April from NATO entry, objecting that only the Greek northern province has the right to call itself Macedonia. Greece stated that it could block Macedonia's EU accession as well, if it did not change its name. In an EC response to Meijer, MIA reports, EC President Jose Manuel Barroso confirms it is true they used standard names until recently, but that, in the summer of 2008, a decision was taken to make this change. Thus, in the inter institutional style guide compiled by the Office for Official Publications of the European Communities, these terms have been replaced with "to be defined". The commission says all references are strictly in accordance with United Nations Security Council Resolution 817/93. Meijer also expresses concerns about the delaying of the date for opening EU accession talks for Macedonia, despite recent European Parliament recommendations assessing that Greek opposition could continue for years, MIA reported. The country achieved candidate status in 2005, but the EC did not grant an extended recommendation for further progress due to insufficient internal reforms. Long-standing UN-sponsored name talks between Macedonia and Greece have so far been in vain. While Greece insists a composite name for its neighbour should be used by all countries, Macedonia accepts a mutually agreeable name only in correspondence with Greece, since only this country has such problems. Additionally, the talks have in effect ground to a halt, as both countries are currently occupied with domestic elections. www.balkaninsight.com/en/main/news/17888/
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Post by chalkedon on Apr 3, 2009 6:45:48 GMT -5
LOL ^ Giasou Arxilleas !
i saw that yesterday....i was gonna post it, but you and Basil beat me to it ;D
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Post by Kassandros on Apr 3, 2009 9:06:56 GMT -5
Its our Macedonian genes.. We smell from far away the good news..
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Post by Rhezus on Apr 3, 2009 10:02:35 GMT -5
^^ Pass the name Greece for them.. and you swich to --> Ancient Macedonia! Great name, right..
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Post by macmako on Apr 4, 2009 9:17:00 GMT -5
Since Greece is the only country with this issue, then Macedonia will deal with Greece only. So this "To be defined" crap from the EC is invalid.
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Post by Arxileas on Apr 4, 2009 9:23:00 GMT -5
I ts our Macedonian genes.. We smell from far away the good news.. That's right basili
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Post by Kassandros on Apr 5, 2009 7:33:13 GMT -5
MacMaco Since Greece is the only country with this issue, then Macedonia will deal with Greece only. So this "To be defined" crap from the EC is invalid ---------------------------------------------- First, since the criterions for EU and Nato are the good relationships with EVERY country that is a member... is a valid one . Second,... Greece is enough for Fyrom. We're speaking about vetoing Fyrom... not China! ..for Christs' name.. lol lol . If such a small and weak country dreams lands of their neighbhours... imagine when and if they ever will become stonger...
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Post by macmako on Apr 5, 2009 8:33:05 GMT -5
First, since the criterions for EU and Nato are the good relationships with EVERY country that is a member... is a valid one . Second,... Greece is enough for Fyrom. We're speaking about vetoing Fyrom... not China! ..for Christs' name.. lol lol . If such a small and weak country dreams lands of their neighbhours... imagine when and if they ever will become stonger... Good relations has nothing to do with it. Greece is the only one whining about this issue. EU and NATO made the mistake of taking on this irrelevant matter. So you are saying that if Macedonia was a powerful country, Greece would not even dare make an issue of it? I think not. Greece is stubborn, just like its people (We all are), and it is always the way, that right or wrong, Greece will stand by its decision on an issue. RIGHT or WRONG, Greece will not move. It is why this issue is such a waste of time.
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Post by Arxileas on Apr 5, 2009 10:07:13 GMT -5
^ Your true is here; www.hellenicplanet.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=507Archives do not lie and we do not negotiate with thief’s of our Hellenic identity. Macedonians were always Greeks and will always be no matter how much you try one cannot distort facts because history has already been written in stone. Tito didn’t take this into account
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Post by Novi Pazar on Apr 6, 2009 21:51:35 GMT -5
"Tito didn’t take this into account" Tito (Josip Broz) took it too far, but it was not only him, you had the likes Kardelj, Hebrang, Bakarich.
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Post by Kassandros on Apr 7, 2009 18:48:36 GMT -5
MacMaco "Good relations has nothing to do with it. Greece is the only one whining about this issue. EU and NATO made the mistake of taking on this irrelevant matter." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- good relations in EU and Nato does not matter?!! Most propably you have no idea what EU and Nato stand for. Its an alliance!! In alliances.... people have same targets. They dont dream each others land. If they do... then alliances stop to exist.
"So you are saying that if Macedonia was a powerful country, Greece would not even dare make an issue of it? I think not. Greece is stubborn" ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fyrom is a kind of powerfull... since US and UK push this way...
Greece stuborn?! Really? You have no idea what it means for Greeks... and especially for Macedonians like the PM of Greece to agree in "North Macedonia" having in mind that you have nothing Macedonian on you. All Greeks know that you're BulgaroSerboAlbanians... and we agreed on "North Macedonia".... and you speak about being "stubborn"..??!!
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Post by macmako on Apr 7, 2009 19:04:36 GMT -5
You changed the context of my post by not quoting the entire statement. Here it is:
"Greece is stubborn, just like its people (We all are), and it is always the way, that right or wrong, Greece will stand by its decision on an issue. RIGHT or WRONG, Greece will not move. It is why this issue is such a waste of time."
Many instances of Greek stubbornness is toward good agendas. This stubbornness toward the name issue is not.
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Post by macmako on Apr 7, 2009 19:14:30 GMT -5
Arxi and many other Greeks and other anti-Macedonians are so fixated on Tito. It has gotten very old and always insignificant. Yet, they still beat it to death. Does this indicate the emptiness between their ears?
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Post by Novi Pazar on Apr 8, 2009 0:44:13 GMT -5
"Arxi and many other Greeks and other anti-Macedonians are so fixated on Tito."
Someone who is pro vardar is anti greek!. Tito and his pals (Kardelj, Hebrang, Bakarich) are the ones who decided to change southern serbia to FYROM (weaker serbia means a stronger yugo). Tito was the ONLY communist who encouraged and supported a new Fyrom orthodox church while all other communists encouraged athieism. Thank god it only managed automonous status within the serbian orthodox church.
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Post by Kassandros on Apr 8, 2009 3:15:14 GMT -5
"anti-Macedonians"..??! We?? You're confused. We're anti-Vardaskans.
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Post by macmako on Apr 10, 2009 10:34:47 GMT -5
"Arxi and many other Greeks and other anti-Macedonians are so fixated on Tito." Someone who is pro vardar is anti greek!. Tito and his pals (Kardelj, Hebrang, Bakarich) are the ones who decided to change southern serbia to FYROM (weaker serbia means a stronger yugo). Tito was the ONLY communist who encouraged and supported a new Fyrom orthodox church while all other communists encouraged athieism. Thank god it only managed automonous status within the serbian orthodox church. Someone who is pro-Macedonian is not necessarily anti-Greek. Also, let go of the Tito thing. Or can you?
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Post by macmako on Apr 10, 2009 10:38:07 GMT -5
"anti-Macedonians"..??! We?? You're confused. We're anti-Vardaskans. Look, Basil. When you say that you are Macedonian, then you are not Greek. What is it with some of you that can not say that you are Greek? Be real to yourself. Be proud of being Greek instead of hiding behind the "Macedonian" name. You are either Greek or you are not. Seems that you may be ashamed of saying what you really are; GREEK!
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Apr 10, 2009 15:46:16 GMT -5
"anti-Macedonians"..??! We?? You're confused. We're anti-Vardaskans. Look, Basil. When you say that you are Macedonian, then you are not Greek. What is it with some of you that can not say that you are Greek? Be real to yourself. Be proud of being Greek instead of hiding behind the "Macedonian" name. You are either Greek or you are not. Seems that you may be ashamed of saying what you really are; GREEK! thats BS. Of course there are greek Cretans Macedonians Ipirots Peloponesians Thesalians Thracians Stereoeladites Agean Islanders Ionian Islanders we have nine (9) compartments in our country. What if obama goes crazy and wants to split Greece into 1-2-...9 pieces? (just like they did with your true country Yugoslavia) Would you like the remaining greek Macedonia to HELLENIZE your country? So no more Tose Proeski, no more Vlatko Stefanofski,etc.... Would you sacrifice your slav substance in order to be something that you are not (greek)?
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Post by Kubrat on Apr 10, 2009 16:57:52 GMT -5
Macedonia might also have a problem with Bulgaria if they don't stop their anti-Bulgarianism and claiming our history
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Post by Novi Pazar on Apr 10, 2009 19:12:45 GMT -5
"Someone who is pro-Macedonian is not necessarily anti-Greek."
Explain to me what you mean by 'not necessarily anti-Greek'.
"Also, let go of the Tito thing. Or can you?"
Why?, l'm l not wrong by mentioning Josip Broz and co who after WW2 cultivated a new identity for vardar.
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