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Post by Kassandros on Jul 27, 2009 15:30:08 GMT -5
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Kanaris
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Post by Kanaris on Jul 27, 2009 16:38:51 GMT -5
Albania will suffer the same fate.... the buck stops at Greece....
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Post by todhrimencuri on Jul 27, 2009 16:40:07 GMT -5
Look at my sig. Lets hope it does. Europe is a sinking continent. Within a few generations it will die completely.
And lol @ the threats to Turkey. Thats like saying "your not invited into my house" when the person has realized that he doesnt want to knock. Turkey doesnt give a chit about EU anymore, it realized the truth about it. Its a nation on the rise with a population soon to be bigger than Germany (top EU player). Imagine what kind of nightmare it would be if Turkey had an equal say as Germany in the EU.
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Post by Kanaris on Jul 27, 2009 16:44:53 GMT -5
If Europe dies..Albania will die with it.... and other useless rif raf countries that waste the oxygen and exist only to make trouble for others.
Already we are witnessing the decline of the American Empire.... which without them you're toast,Serbia and Russia will end up with Adriatic beaches to swim.
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Post by todhrimencuri on Jul 27, 2009 16:50:45 GMT -5
America, even in its current down state, is still 10x more powerful than every singly entity in the world combined. Russia's dreams about the Adriatic are laughable when she can barely keep her backyard from trouble. Europe is knee deep in issues, such as how many people are looking at the union with a negative eye more and more as it looks to federalize itself (you already had the Irish veto, and now France also is having issues). Fact is this EU is nothing but an empty shell and thats all it will ever be, because Europeans are just that. They are cowards and have shown it when they let 8000 men and boys be slaughtered at Srebrenica and all the other genocides they witnessed without doing a single thing to stop it. They hide their powerlessness in empty legislation and "law".
Fact is, without America, the world doesnt turn.
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Kanaris
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Post by Kanaris on Jul 27, 2009 16:58:41 GMT -5
Keep thinking that....
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Post by leshte on Jul 27, 2009 16:59:39 GMT -5
Kanaris you know the thing with Albanian and Greek politicians is that they do a lot of corrupt $hit together. Who do you think owns the Greek banks in Albania and the Greek companies, and where do you think all those Pyramid scheme money went. The relationship between our politicians and yours is not the same as with the FYROMIANS. When $hit hits the fan all of them are screwed together. Why do you think it has been so quietly in the last decade between the politicians of our country. Common interest; and that is money.
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Post by Kassandros on Jul 27, 2009 17:03:55 GMT -5
Toskali, sorry to dissapoint you... but Iceland who was among the fanatic anti-EU ones... now after the economi crisis... begging on the knees the countries of EU to accept her. Not bad for a "sinking continent" during an economic crisis eh? PS. China continously changes dollars from its reserves... with Euros.. Do you believe Chinese are crazy.. or they want to destroy economically their own country? Toskali... a Union.. is always a Union. When many have the same interests... they win. When you're alone... the road has ups and downs.... and down is the end. Ask the former Empires.... ask Obama and ask him also why he changes the Bush game of that powerfull Pax-Americana to "lets become friends... pleaaase" game...
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Post by Aris on Jul 27, 2009 17:59:44 GMT -5
Albania will suffer the same fate.... the buck stops at Greece.... ;D I like his humor !
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Post by telemaque on Jul 28, 2009 6:57:25 GMT -5
a Union.. is always a Union. When many have the same interests... they win. the fact is that EU is not an union...this is only a semblance of union, an old utopic dream...within an individual aspect only, in most of the EU countries people are already tired of the pressure of pluriculturalism...Greece is already supporting the negative effect of the EU while subeducated people there don't even link European policies to them... America is declining, yes...too much living on credit; but other countries too...and in comparison America still remains above... The late crisis has shown how an impact on the US crisis could affect the whole world, so it is better for the moment to not push down too much the american economy... btw let's suppose America die, we still have a good ally for decades : China I've personnally never understood why a country such Greece would so much see America down... please explain point by point the benefits ? Russia doesn't care at all about Greece !!!
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Post by L0gjICK on Jul 28, 2009 7:04:23 GMT -5
Exactly, why would Greeks want to see a weak America? If it wasn't for America, Greece potentially could of gone down the same Communist path as Albania.
Then again we are dealing with religious numbnuts such as Greeks whose ethnicity can not stand without religion. If Americans were predominately Orthodox, Greeks would be singing their praises towards them.
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Post by chalkedon on Jul 28, 2009 7:58:20 GMT -5
America has done a lot of shaddy things...espescially to Greece. But Greece also is not innocent of everything...We took the money from Marshall Plan without asking any questions. America is not evil....just some neo-con wasp bastards are
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Post by Kanaris on Jul 28, 2009 8:00:33 GMT -5
There were no American soldiers in the streets of Athens in ww2.... the only help we got is from the Brits.... Americans many times tried and failed to orchestrate disturbances in the Greek Govt..such with the colonels and the junta of the late 60's and early 70's. L.B. Johnson thought he owned us.. France is another country we owe gratitude to....
The Chinese have never bothered us...and the Russians have always appreciated the use of the Aegean for their ships...
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Post by chalkedon on Jul 28, 2009 8:02:25 GMT -5
Although I like Russia in the days of Bush, i know they are not our friends. They look out for themselves just like any other nation.
Excecuting 20,000 poles in katylin is an example of what russia does when they to get some "things" out of the way...
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Post by chalkedon on Jul 28, 2009 8:03:28 GMT -5
Yes, France is a true ally so far... China is just for business... I dont like brits at all
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Post by L0gjICK on Jul 28, 2009 8:09:35 GMT -5
You want Russia as a friend? Their country has exterminated millions of their own kind. Think about that for a second -- their own kind! Which leads you to believe they are even more brutal to outsiders.
Like I said, the US helped Greece rid itself of communism. US backed coupes and the Marshall Plan were instrumental to the fall of communism. Look at most of the Former USSR Countries or even the former countries in Latin America. Many of them to this day are having trouble to this day recuperating from that brutal system. Imagine if Greece were to rid itself of communism in the late 80's or 90's like many of the Balkan country. Do you honestly think it would be the same country?
But hey, if you want to align yourself with anti-Western countries such as Russia and Serbia, go right ahead. May Jebus guide you to the right path.
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Post by Patrinos on Jul 28, 2009 8:23:45 GMT -5
The bad thing was that all these ex-communist eastern european countries entered all together...so soon...and the most of them are "american satelites" like Poland and Romania... The Gallo-German strong relations are a must for the good evolution of E.U. Britain never felt a full part of EU...let them in their island to have cups of tea with their ex-colony..also the Mediterranean orientation that Sarkozy has given to his policy is also a very positive sign...
EU, has three principles-condition...that Osmaniye don't dispose...i)Grecoroman principles of civilization,ii) Christian heritage,iii) and ofcourse geographical relation...(only 3% is in Europe)...
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Post by chalkedon on Jul 28, 2009 8:41:35 GMT -5
those " american satellites " have been let down by europe many times. That is why they look overseas for allies. i cant say that I blame them...
They are rising economies in europe. We have been members since the 50's if im not mistaken. We should be way ahead of these ex-commie countries. That is what surprises me the most..
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Post by Patrinos on Jul 28, 2009 8:50:34 GMT -5
They confuse their anti-sovietism/"russianism" with philoamericanism...How can EU has a common exterior policy when America can interfere in EU thing...when they(US) openly express in european matters such as the entering of Turkey in EU?
And when these countries had been let down by (rest of)"Europe"?
And Greece entered EU in '81, in 50's we entered NATO.
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Post by chalkedon on Jul 28, 2009 9:12:29 GMT -5
WW2 is a very good example of how those countries were let down. They were left to become part of the USSR and everybody was happy.
I agree, the hate of the soviets with betrayal from the brits and their allies really left bitterness to what europe did when it comes to eastern european countries.
it is very hard for 27 countries to have common interests...america went through this phase and had a bitter civil war which caused hundreds of thousands killed. Afterwards was the official birth of modern USA.
I dont believe we will have a civil war, but a lot of bickering in the europarliament ;D and the only country to reject the euro constitution was ireland...not the eastern european countries.
thanks for the correction about greece's membership, i still think we are behind though...
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