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Post by ioan on Apr 20, 2010 22:31:20 GMT -5
by the way the map also shows that western serbia (real one) is indeed croatian.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Apr 21, 2010 0:20:33 GMT -5
Pyrro, the map shows that vardarians are closest to the serbs not Bulgari ;D Novi, my brother, also check out these graphs as well. Its from a greek Genetist. SMA = slav makedonians KAL = kosovo albanians take a look my brother: Novi bro, this is in 100% alignment with what i saw in vivo... Slav Bulgarians are very much like their ancestors the Serbs. However, people from the south are much more greek-vlah-like.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Apr 21, 2010 0:21:20 GMT -5
Pyrros, I think that map is quite accurate. Except for one thing, I would lift that line from the bottom of FY Macedonia and make it cut across the country much higher. who knows brother...
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Post by Kastorianos on Apr 21, 2010 1:56:50 GMT -5
can someone explain to me how this map of pyrrovic does prove a closer connection of skopjans to serbs? I cant get why it is posted whole time for this purpose....this map does only show the distribution of haplogroup I2a2...and nothing more. Dont listen to pyrrovic so naively he is totally clueless in this field, he doesnt understand the map himself.^^
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Post by Novi Pazar on Apr 21, 2010 2:25:05 GMT -5
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Post by Novi Pazar on Apr 21, 2010 2:32:45 GMT -5
"Novi, my brother, also check out these graphs as well. Its from a greek Genetist. SMA = slav makedonians KAL = kosovo albanians" I remember pyrro you posting these graphs, it just backs your first map quite well Pyrro, as you know man, the Turko Bulgars arrive 150 years after the serbs, it even shows genetically. This is what Coon had to say, l hope Kastor takes note: The Serbs are darker in pigmentation than either the Slovenes or the Croatians; 45 per cent of eyes are pure brown (Martin #2-4), as against 20 per cent which are pure or nearly pure light. Over 55 per cent have black or dark brown hair, while light browns and blonds come to less than 10 per cent. The beards are, of course, often lighter than the head hair. The skin is brunet-white or light-brown in at least a third of the total. It is unlikely that the prevalence of brunet pigmentation among the Serbs came from a Slavic source, and as we shall presently see, the high incidence of dark eyes can hardly be called Dinaric. By elimination we must suppose that the Serbs, in their sojourn in northern Macedonia. accumulated a strong brunet tendency."
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Apr 21, 2010 2:33:42 GMT -5
can someone explain to me how this map of pyrrovic does prove a closer connection of skopjans to serbs? I cant get why it is posted whole time for this purpose....this map does only show the distribution of haplogroup I2a2...and nothing more. Dont listen to pyrrovic so naively he is totally clueless in this field, he doesnt understand the map himself.^^ i posted one map and two graphs my dear roumano-arbo-vlah. Why did you comment only on the map? What does your intuition say about FYROMians (and not skopians you idiot, Skoplje is a city you know) ? Who do you think they resemble more genetically and physically? Slavomakedonian People from here, like Nikola, agree the idea of this map... So your clueless opinion is irrelevant (as usual). (and i am not pyrrovic) Pyrros is my name... 100% greek..
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Apr 21, 2010 2:36:39 GMT -5
its interesting to see, how the west uses the scam of greece (vlahs/albanians/gypsies like Kastor) to create a bigger Bulgaria... It is interesting to see those tools in action.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Apr 21, 2010 2:38:30 GMT -5
"and i am not pyrrovic" I don't blame Kastor Pyrro, its these freaken Bulgari here, all they master is name calling
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Post by Kastorianos on Apr 21, 2010 2:43:28 GMT -5
Sorry but there is no single study that has ever proved that the skopjans are closer to the serbs genetically than to Bulgarians. I didnt say its impossible but it hasnt been proved yet. Those tables are much too indefinite...no one can see on what their messages are based? Haplogroups? Do you guys know what haplogroups are? You have no clue, really, you better dont talk about this stuff until you have studied it..
Ps: Pyrrovic, insulting the mothers of others is cheap as lower it cant get...I will inform Aadmin.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Apr 21, 2010 3:00:41 GMT -5
^ Kastor we know what a Halogroup is. A halogroup is specific genetic marker associated with early human migrations that can be linked with a certain geographic region.
So what your telling me and Pyrro is that because there is no definite study to link vardarians and serbs together genetically, no one here, either bulgar or serb should claim them (Vardarians) as genetically their own?.....so the above quotes, maps and graphs are inaccurate?, whats your take on this?
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Apr 21, 2010 3:11:50 GMT -5
Sorry but there is no single study that has ever proved that the skopjans are closer to the serbs genetically than to Bulgarians. I didnt say its impossible but it hasnt been proved yet. Those tables are much too indefinite...no one can see on what their messages are based? Haplogroups? Do you guys know what haplogroups are? You have no clue, really, you better dont talk about this stuff until you have studied it.. Ps: Pyrrovic, insulting the mothers of others is cheap as lower it cant get...I will inform Aadmin. go cry a river arbanovlahe.... i ignore you...
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Apr 21, 2010 3:20:29 GMT -5
Novi, the albanian junk of the ranks of Kastor/Patrinos/etc.... are an equal danger to Serbdom as the Albos/Mongols...
Unfortunately "Truth" is not a very friendly concept in the first place, so its natural that Truth=Serbdom is fought by its inferiors.
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Post by tsompanos on Apr 21, 2010 3:21:25 GMT -5
its hilarious reading threads with pyrros and novi , sometimes i even think they are the same person
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Apr 21, 2010 3:22:06 GMT -5
its hilarious reading threads with pyrros and novi , sometimes i even think they are the same person novi shows some tolerance to the arbano-vlaho garbage. i dont. Because Novi cannot love Hellenism as i can.... just like i cannot love Serbdom as he can. As a matter of fact Tsompane (=Zupane???) this page of this thread, is an excellent example which proves that Novi and I are two different persons... (its obvious but any way....)
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Post by Kastorianos on Apr 21, 2010 4:15:55 GMT -5
haplogroups are not adequate to make such conclusions, yes. Just because the Skopjans and the Serbs could (since even that can usually not be proven to 100% by one study only) share the same percentage on I2a2-people, that doesnt make them genetically close related. If you take this logic you can also say that Poles and Indians are closer to each other than Poles and Germans because both Poles and Indians share a similar percentage on R1a1.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Apr 21, 2010 6:02:48 GMT -5
^ its not only one subclade but many more:
Subclade J2f1 is present at 2.5% in Serbs and Slavic Macedonians. I1b* (xM26) is at 29-32% in Serbs, Macedonians and Croats, as low as 3% in Macedonian Roma and Kosovar Albanians, as high as 63% in Herzegovinians. The R1a is the same in Macedonians and Serbs at 15% and close to Herzegovinians at 12%, notable gap between the Albanians (4%) and Croats (35%). Bosnian Serbs are closer to Bosniaks than to Croats, the J Haplogroup is 9% in Serbs and 12% in Bosniaks and almost non-existent among Croats. I-P37 is higher in Croats (71%) than in Serbs (31%) and Bosniaks (44%).[5] In Europe, the highest frequency of the E3b1-α cluster is among Kosovo Albanians (45.6%), Albanians (27.0%), and Macedonians (24.1%). The frequency of this cluster among Serbs from Serbia is 20.4%, and among Herzegovinians 8.5%.[6]
Kastor, the Serbs and Vardarians neighbour each other, they share many cultural and historical circumstances together. The migration of the Serbs, l don't like saying this, via Northern Greece is evident from historical standpoint, hence why l showed you coon, he links the anthropological side to the historical side.
The poles and northern indians are similar genetically but from a cultural and historical standpoint they are far, besides Kastor, l would attribute the similarity of the Northern Slavs genetically to the Northern Indians from the impact of the invading indo-europeans to the sub-continent, whereby the aryans displaced the indiginous dravidians and formed the so called caste system.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Apr 21, 2010 6:08:28 GMT -5
"its hilarious reading threads with pyrros and novi , sometimes i even think they are the same person"
Tsompanos, l know our view is not what your used to hearing because you've grown up to believe the exact opposite. Just be patient with us, l'm more than happy to explain to you what you don't see eye to eye. I know you find us funny because we've lost patience with the bulgar ******* here.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Apr 21, 2010 6:14:44 GMT -5
"Novi, the albanian junk of the ranks of Kastor/Patrinos/etc.... are an equal danger to Serbdom as the Albos/Mongols..."
Kastor and patrino, pyrro, haven't questioned the Bulgarian propaganda like we have, l don't blame them because the whole internet, 21st century publications etc...are the direct result of the Bulgarian terrorism during the 19th century.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Apr 21, 2010 6:32:11 GMT -5
"Novi, the albanian junk of the ranks of Kastor/Patrinos/etc.... are an equal danger to Serbdom as the Albos/Mongols..." Kastor and patrino, pyrro, haven't questioned the Bulgarian propaganda like we have, l don't blame them because the whole internet, 21st century publications etc...are the direct result of the Bulgarian terrorism during the 19th century. But Novi, the same applies to Asen, Ioan, Ruse as well. They are the products of post-1991 western-made bulgarian propaganda, just like Kastor/Patrinos/etc... are products of the post-1950 western-made propaganda. I cannot see why Asen/Ioan/Ruse should be the "bad" guys, when in fact the supposedly Greek side has created much much more fabrications, random hatred, disregard for anything Slavic, paranoid pseudo-nationalism, pretty much like the western-fed vacant Albanian nationalism. All those people compete to grab/destroy fame/history/lands from the Serbs. Because west decided so... In that aspect i cannot see why i should wasting time with any of those tools in particular. Certain circuits in their brains seem completely lobotomized, but there is nothing you or i can do. Also, I cannot see why you should be friendly to people who would very happily see any Slavs (Serbs included of course) vanished from earth's face. Dont believe in Serb-Greek friendship. No such thing. The greek's anti-slav feeling is so well implanted in our skin by the English that it will come out very easily. One thing, tho, i know for true Greeks. We are not idiots. Once we see, we can understand. Lies can bypass our logic but not our sight. So, as you understand, only few born-slav-haters-idiots like Kastor/Patrinos are not enough to condemn the whole Greek race.
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