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Post by plisbardhi on Dec 15, 2010 15:20:37 GMT -5
^You're quoting rex, an Albanian. Wtf are you talking about where does it say he's talking about his own culture Seems like you're just desperate to inject slavs into everything including your own ass.
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Post by terroreign on Dec 15, 2010 15:24:04 GMT -5
^Malesor albs celebrate Slava and play Gusle, dance Kolo, how much more slavic can your culture get? Just seems hypocritical for an Albanian of all people to speak down about the richness of South Slavic cultures.
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Post by plisbardhi on Dec 15, 2010 15:28:41 GMT -5
1 Rex isn't a Malesor, he's from Prespa.
2 Malesors are Catholic or Muslim. Gusle and Kolo are Illyrian and pre-Slavic Balkan derived. Get your head out of your ass.
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Post by terroreign on Dec 15, 2010 15:50:10 GMT -5
^Too bad scholars and professionals state they are Serbian. You clearly have a screw loose if you really think your culture differs from South-Slavic.
Prespa Albanians are the ones that dress up like Greeks and dance Kolo right lol
Once again, Albanians respect your father-culture and be appreciative to us for what you have.
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Post by plisbardhi on Dec 15, 2010 16:08:05 GMT -5
I have a screw lose? Lets take some Russians, Poles, Ukrainians and Slovaks of all educational backrounds to Malesia and ask them how Slavic it is. After that lets take them to Montenegro and ask them if the people there are authentic Slavs or derived from the same people and culture as the Albanians.
Scholars have indeed spoken. And Serbs are Vlachs, Illyrians, and asorted Asiatics with a Slav veneer.
For the culture Slavs found when they arrived in the Balkans? Or did they bring all the culture with them from beyond the Carpathians? Funny how you try to comfort yourself with that BS when deep down you know its the other way around.
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Post by terroreign on Dec 15, 2010 16:15:31 GMT -5
You must be dense. South-Slavic, East-Slavic, West-Slavic are ALL unique cultures, which also differ greatly among ethnic groups. Of course a Pole would view Serbian culture as foreign, just as a Czech would view Russian culture as foreign!
I mean in the same vein, Spaniards and French must have the 100% exact same culture right? Moron.
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Post by plisbardhi on Dec 15, 2010 16:31:58 GMT -5
Wow what a cheap cop out. Lets see who's the moron.
Czechs, Poles and Russians have far more in common with eachother than they do with Serbs, especially racially. The point you make with the Spanish and French actually proves my point, douchbag. The Spanish, French, and Romanians are all linguistically Latins, but have different cultures due to the natives of their lands, for example the Iberians, Gauls, and Dacio-Thacians. So can we accurately say that Vlach culture is derived from the Romans? Hell no, both their physical anthropology and culture stem from Balkan natives. Thats a strong parallel with the Slavs/Serbs and the native Illyro-Albanian highland culture.
Moron.
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Post by rex362 on Dec 15, 2010 16:38:08 GMT -5
wtf is going on here .. "Comparison of the Macedonian culture to Serb/Bulg" same thing as this ..... Comparison of the Slavic culture to Slavic/SlavicSo you admit you have a Slavic culture? when you say Macedonia as in this thread you are referring to Slavic Macedonians me Albananezi ....older than Slavic anything in all of Europe Slavic culture is Slavic universally from Russia too Serbia and now even to the door steps of Pyrros's apartment lets take Cuban and Puerto Rican and Panamanian culture for example its all Latino culture ...from Italy/spain to south and central america all the way to the Philippines LoLo Krivo
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Post by rex362 on Dec 15, 2010 16:49:05 GMT -5
Bosnian Croats Serbs Monte's Macs (the non Albs speaking macs )
what they have in common ??
Slavicism in common
and yea they might have some Illyro-Albanezi element in a few ... (more the Montes and Croats)
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Post by Novi Pazar on Dec 15, 2010 22:20:27 GMT -5
"Malesor albs celebrate Slava and play Gusle, dance Kolo, how much more slavic can your culture get?" No, this is an illyrian culture. Serbs steal it from them.
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Post by terroreign on Dec 15, 2010 22:44:40 GMT -5
Wow what a cheap cop out. Lets see who's the moron. Czechs, Poles and Russians have far more in common with eachother than they do with Serbs, especially racially. The point you make with the Spanish and French actually proves my point, douchbag. The Spanish, French, and Romanians are all linguistically Latins, but have different cultures due to the natives of their lands, for example the Iberians, Gauls, and Dacio-Thacians. So can we accurately say that Vlach culture is derived from the Romans? Hell no, both their physical anthropology and culture stem from Balkan natives. Thats a strong parallel with the Slavs/Serbs and the native Illyro-Albanian highland culture. Moron. Nonsense. There is no record of any Illyrian nor Iberian culture to even be able to make such claims. And you also contradicted your guys' everlasting arguement that the modern Greeks do not inherit their culture from the Ancient Greeks. lol And you seem to be undermining the grand influence of the Roman culture, how foolish. Quit talking out of your a** compadre
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Post by andromeda on Dec 15, 2010 22:53:05 GMT -5
^Malesor albs celebrate Slava and play Gusle, dance Kolo, how much more slavic can your culture get? Just seems hypocritical for an Albanian of all people to speak down about the richness of South Slavic cultures. Gusle is ancient and predates the Slavs. It's we Slavs that picked up that trait in the region. We don't own the cultural 'rights' to it lol. Slava, particularly popular among Eastern Orthodox Christians and not particularly Slav as much as its religious. Many of us Slavs are not Orthodox and do not share in that tradition. Kolo is a generic type of folklore that spans most of central and eastern Europe. Its not particularly Slav it just happens to be the case that most Eastern Europeans are Slavs. Lets not get it mixed up. Albanians, Romanians , and Greeks took many loan words from Slav languages. This is typical and the loan words are reciprocated as we have a lot of distinctly non-Slav words that are slavicized.
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Post by andromeda on Dec 15, 2010 22:58:54 GMT -5
You must be dense. South-Slavic, East-Slavic, West-Slavic are ALL unique cultures, which also differ greatly among ethnic groups. Of course a Pole would view Serbian culture as foreign, just as a Czech would view Russian culture as foreign! I mean in the same vein, Spaniards and French must have the 100% exact same culture right? Moron. Of course they would consider it foreign but not altogether unfamiliar. I know tones of Poles and Ukrainians that feel more or less 'part of the crowd' when chilling with Ex-Yugoslavs. Slavs in general appreciate being around one and other more so than with non-Slavs or at least it seems that way to me. Go on youtube , look up popular music videos from Croatia and Serbia. Just watch the string of text from Polish , Czech , and Russian viewers.
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Post by srbobran on Dec 15, 2010 23:48:16 GMT -5
Actually not its not. Serbs (along with many northern Macedonians, who have had much close contact with Serbs or of Serb origins themselves) are the only people that celebrate the slava. books.google.ca/books?id=hQBUJVwjcjsC&pg=PA40&dq=Slava+serb&hl=en&ei=IZgJTcuyHcKblgeKwKTbAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=Slava%20serb&f=falsebooks.google.ca/books?id=oWP-MqFNuVIC&pg=PA202&dq=Slava+serb&hl=en&ei=IZgJTcuyHcKblgeKwKTbAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CDYQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=Slava%20serb&f=false(bottom of the page) Anywayys, Nikola/Ljubotan I've noticed you guys are extremely critical of Macedonian/Balkan (indeed most of the things mentioned in that list I've observed in Serbs as well) culture in comparison to the "more advanced" Western culture. They're culture may be "more advanced", but it also (I know firsthand I live in Canada) produces people that are generally selfish, cowardly, and disloyal. I'm 17 and I'm surrounded by Canadians my age all the time. I'm friends with them, but not true friends. I see the way they act, its all about them, they'll talk shit about people behind their backs, and they sure as hell won't back you up in a fight. My only true friends are the Croatian and Serbian kids I hang out with. They may be "less advanced" culturally, but dammit if shit hits the fan at least you know they'll have your back. In this sense, Macedonian/Balkan culture is superior to Western because I feel that from a young age (at least for me), loyalty is particularly stressed and indeed loyalty is one the most important qualities.
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Post by terroreign on Dec 16, 2010 0:52:47 GMT -5
^Malesor albs celebrate Slava and play Gusle, dance Kolo, how much more slavic can your culture get? Just seems hypocritical for an Albanian of all people to speak down about the richness of South Slavic cultures. Gusle is ancient and predates the Slavs. It's we Slavs that picked up that trait in the region. We don't own the cultural 'rights' to it lol. Slava, particularly popular among Eastern Orthodox Christians and not particularly Slav as much as its religious. Many of us Slavs are not Orthodox and do not share in that tradition. Kolo is a generic type of folklore that spans most of central and eastern Europe. Its not particularly Slav it just happens to be the case that most Eastern Europeans are Slavs. Lets not get it mixed up. Albanians, Romanians , and Greeks took many loan words from Slav languages. This is typical and the loan words are reciprocated as we have a lot of distinctly non-Slav words that are slavicized. Most likely the Gusle originated in the steppes most likely of Iranic origin, the most similar instruments are native in Kazahkstan, Tuva (Southern Siberia), and Iran. Additionally, "Gusle" is a an archaic Slavic word meaning to "cut wind". The Russian "Gusli" is a plucked string instrument similar to a harp, and the Czech violin "Housle". The Slava is practiced by non-Orthodox too, by Muslim slavs in Montenegro, Catholic Albanian highlanders, even by some Catholics and Muslims in Herzegovina. It's popularly regarded as a remnant of Pagan Slavic worship. And Kolo, besides being a Serbian word, is like you said, chiefly practiced by the South-Slavs...let's not lie to ourselves and say it's Illyrian now.
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Post by tsompanos on Dec 16, 2010 1:26:16 GMT -5
we dance kolo too and guess what we call it ! Serviko or Hasaposerviko and well there are alot of variants
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 16, 2010 3:48:44 GMT -5
hahaha....ore kolotoumba.... now you make the words " ONLY" and " MAIN" meaning the same in english...wtf??? ;D ;D ;D malaka paliokolotoumba... alright idiot, this alters 0.000000000000000000000000000000000001 % of the strength of my argument. wow!!! You managed this victory by your self albanian!!
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Post by rex362 on Dec 16, 2010 10:01:22 GMT -5
did you bring Slava and Gusle, Kolo from Carpathia ?
show me
you obtained religion late, way after your arrival in Balkans and found churches that had been already built
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 16, 2010 10:21:40 GMT -5
did you bring Slava and Gusle, Kolo from Carpathia ? show me you obtained religion late, way after your arrival in Balkans and found churches that had been already built My lilly idiot, when slavs came at about 500 AD, they found (nearly) nothing. Just look at some paper by Florin Curta where he discuss the numismatic evidence in the southern balkans for the said centuries. 500->800 AD. You will surprised. All indications point to the fact that both albos and neo-greko-phones were brought to the southern balkans AFTER the slavs came. If it was the other way around, then the slavs would borrow the local toponyms and not vice versa. In Greece/Albania the locals behave like they have minimal memories of their land, never bothered to rename the toponyms, and more important, have no memories of those toponyms. They just found them, and use them. They never cared WHO gave these toponyms, and even if they would care they wouldn't know, cause they were not there... Simple.
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Post by ulf on Dec 16, 2010 11:23:43 GMT -5
I have a screw lose? Lets take some Russians, Poles, Ukrainians and Slovaks of all educational backrounds to Malesia and ask them how Slavic it is. After that lets take them to Montenegro and ask them if the people there are authentic Slavs or derived from the same people and culture as the Albanians. Scholars have indeed spoken. And Serbs are Vlachs, Illyrians, and asorted Asiatics with a Slav veneer. For the culture Slavs found when they arrived in the Balkans? Or did they bring all the culture with them from beyond the Carpathians? Funny how you try to comfort yourself with that BS when deep down you know its the other way around. haha, THIS GUY IS the forum LEGEND and I really mean it. Each of his comment is better then the previous one. Now concerning "kolo" and it absence in other "North" Slavic groups, I suggest you to take a good look at following line "Khorovod (Russian: хоровод, Bulgarian: хоро, Ukrainian: танок, Belarusian: карагод [karaˈɣot], Polish: korowód) is a Slavic art form, a combination of a circle dance and chorus singing, similar to Chorea of ancient Greece." from: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KhorovodNow, lets take a look about Chorea: "Choreia (Ancient Greek: χορεία) is a circle dance (χορός σε κύκλο) accompanied by singing (see Greek chorus, choros), in ancient Greece. Homer refers to this dance in his epic poem, the Iliad. Cognates of the name used to describe circle dances exist in a number of other countries: Khorovod (Russia), Hora (Romania, Moldova), Hora (Xopa, Khora) in Ukraine, also Khorovod, Horo (Bulgaria), Oro (Macedonia), Kolo (Serbia)." from: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chorea_%28dance%29 I don't see Albania on list
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