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Post by Shqipni13 on Oct 11, 2011 23:54:59 GMT -5
800,000 Albanians with fyrom citizenship, minimum! Counting the Albanians abroad who haven't relinquished citizenship.
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Post by Shqipni13 on Oct 12, 2011 0:09:54 GMT -5
What a horseshit article by the way. Albania fines its minority groups for not claiming to be Albanian. Chento your people can all get fucked as far as I'm concerned. Thats something that I can't say for a whole ethnic group other than your made up one.
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Post by terroreign on Oct 12, 2011 0:31:27 GMT -5
albanians are horsesh*t generally, i mean what scum of a people tax native citizens if they wish to identify as the ethnic group they belong to? where in the world do you have that? saudi arabia per chance?
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Post by Shqipni13 on Oct 12, 2011 0:40:05 GMT -5
You just worry about freeing lusatia.
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Post by Moe Lester on Oct 12, 2011 0:48:28 GMT -5
lol, if Krivo was president of Serbia, here would imprison everyone calling themselves "Croat", "Bosniak", "Montenegrin" or "Macedonian". All would be replaced with "Serb".
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Post by Shqipni13 on Oct 12, 2011 0:55:21 GMT -5
^Up until yesterday he was a Montenegrin only. Look back at some of his posts from a couple years ago. A lot of negativity towards the Serbs. He's a young cat though, cut him some slack. I think he is an intelligent dude. Just needs to stop acting like a "know it all".
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Post by Sokol on Oct 12, 2011 0:56:16 GMT -5
800,000 Albanians with fyrom citizenship, minimum! Counting the Albanians abroad who haven't relinquished citizenship. yes, and there are many more macedonians in the diaspora with macedonian citizenship, maybe r.macedonia should count them aswell....
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Post by terroreign on Oct 12, 2011 0:59:15 GMT -5
haha a more logical approach would be to have ethnic census' based solely on mother tongue, with only languages deemed valid by prestigious linguists. which means no montenegrin, bosnian or croatian.
because there is a lot of politics which tampers the reality of ethnic demographics...though in albania's case the only tampering is coming from the country's government itself.
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Post by Shqipni13 on Oct 12, 2011 1:11:45 GMT -5
^Abolish religion. Within two generations your problem is solved.
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Post by terroreign on Oct 12, 2011 1:15:55 GMT -5
double-edged sword, because Serb is essentially an ethno-religious identity. like being a jew. to avoid misunderstanding...the serb orthodox church is essentially the successor of serb paganism in all it's traditions.
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Post by Shqipni13 on Oct 12, 2011 1:19:38 GMT -5
800,000 Albanians with fyrom citizenship, minimum! Counting the Albanians abroad who haven't relinquished citizenship. yes, and there are many more macedonians in the diaspora with macedonian citizenship, maybe r.macedonia should count them aswell.... Many more than Albanians from fyrom? Haha. Not a chance. But lets not count them. To say Albanians comprise of anything less than 30% of population is absurd. What is there beyond Shkup and western quarter? What is the population density in middle and eastern titostan? I hear jack shit but I have never been.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Oct 12, 2011 4:43:00 GMT -5
the serb orthodox church is essentially the successor of serb paganism in all it's traditions. I bow in front of the new Hero!!! Samo naprjed, ti si pravi Junak Srbine!
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Post by Shqipni13 on Oct 12, 2011 5:54:00 GMT -5
double-edged sword, because Serb is essentially an ethno-religious identity. like being a jew. to avoid misunderstanding...the serb orthodox church is essentially the successor of serb paganism in all it's traditions. Your religion strengthens the serbian identity as a whole. I agree with that but it has, along with catholicism and islam, divided yugoslavs. You guys would not only be the power of the balkans but right up with there with Germany in all of europe. Wouldn't sacrificing unproven fairytales be worth it. Hell for me you guys stay the way you are. I love it.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Oct 12, 2011 6:03:57 GMT -5
^^ don't love it, USA has even meaner plans for you... you'll need Serbs again...
as a matter of fact, ALL THE BALKAN BITCHEZ will need Serbs in the near future.
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Oct 12, 2011 6:08:43 GMT -5
lol, if Krivo was president of Serbia, here would imprison everyone calling themselves "Croat", "Bosniak", "Montenegrin" or "Macedonian". All would be replaced with "Serb". Of course. Expanding further on what shqipni brought up as well... Krivo's recent conversion to Serb still challenges his own personal identity. Even he isn't so sure about it and this is easily seen in his radicalism. Krivo's self-confirmation only comes if he insists that other people make the change as he did. In other words , Krivo's identity crisis is/was everyone's identity problem. Croats ( Bosniaks) , a large portion of Albanians and Greeks , and now even the larger Slav world must 'confess' their 'Serbdom.' Only in this way he can feel secure about his new identity. Its completely predictable and expected from a psychological standpoint.
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Oct 12, 2011 6:19:12 GMT -5
haha a more logical approach would be to have ethnic census' based solely on mother tongue, with only languages deemed valid by prestigious linguists. which means no montenegrin, bosnian or croatian. because there is a lot of politics which tampers the reality of ethnic demographics...though in albania's case the only tampering is coming from the country's government itself. That doesn't bode well for Serbs. You would really constrict Serbians to the Torlak region? I saw something very interesting on CroTV yesterday. They were interviewing Croats that moved to Austria centuries ago from mostly Lika ( this is before the influx of Orthodox settlers & language reforms that came a few centuries later.) What's remarkable is that this community retained the language spoken before the 19th century reforms. They still speak their local variant of Croatian and guess what ? No translater was needed. Could understand them just fine though there were noticible differences such as some Germanized words , the mixing of ca and sta , and words like dojdi instead of dodi ( dodji) and a strong leaning toward ikavica. I'll try to find some live coverage on them talking and post it here. It's amazing that they retained their language for so long and it sort of dispels the Serbian myths about the Croatian langauge. Remember this was before any of the neo-stokavian language reforms. Serbian on the other hand is a big fat question mark since they have no literary tradition and we do know that some of the 'oldest Serbs' who are deep in eastern Serbia speak something akin to east southslavic and not west like us. Makes you go hmm?
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Oct 12, 2011 6:27:26 GMT -5
double-edged sword, because Serb is essentially an ethno-religious identity. like being a jew. to avoid misunderstanding...the serb orthodox church is essentially the successor of serb paganism in all it's traditions. Wow , this only further confirms my accussations of you guys trying to portray yourselves as a people like the Jews. You even tailor your own holocaust which only handful of people believe those overinflated numbers. Predictable! The SOC is the whole reason the Serbian identity exists today as an ethnic group. Remember, you only started calling yourselves 'Serbs' and had a country named 'Serbia' only after the Rascian Nemanjic's accepted the foreign name of Serb for their new ministry. You never called yourselves 'Serbs' prior to this time. I would bet you anything that if the Nemanjic's didn't found your new church no 'Serb' nation would exist today but perhaps a Rasican one would ( still haven't decided on that one yet!)
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Post by EriTopSheqeri on Oct 12, 2011 8:08:05 GMT -5
The Census has been interrupted yet somehow "magically" the monkeydonians know the results?
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Post by Novi Pazar on Oct 12, 2011 8:41:06 GMT -5
"You never called yourselves 'Serbs' prior to this time."
Interesting, considering there are toponymns 'srb' or 'serb' found entirely over the Balkan peninsula Priso. We Serbs had a desire to unify ourselves as one massive serbian group, you see, we lived as regional serbian tribes, hence the name serb wasn't used, if you know what l mean.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Oct 12, 2011 8:49:13 GMT -5
"Serbian on the other hand is a big fat question mark since they have no literary tradition and we do know that some of the 'oldest Serbs' who are deep in eastern Serbia speak something akin to east southslavic and not west like us. Makes you go hmm?"
You dikhead, before you open your mouth further, go and do some research on your Torlakian speaking Croats from Romania, then come back here.
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