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Post by Sokol on Oct 24, 2011 22:25:00 GMT -5
shiptars trying to relate to illyrians is laughable... Thanks to those claims^, I now realise through my own research that we're all (most likely) part Illyrian, probably moreso than the Albs themsevles. Linguistically speaking and geographically speaking, YUGO's are more Illyrian than the Albs. They use the "Illyrian-argument" only to indugle themsevles in a fantasay world of being (once upon a time) a significant aspect of Balkan history. Without the "Illyrian-argument" their significance is next to null. This is true, although with Macedonia, the Thracian (Paeonian) and ancient Macedonian influence was much stronger than any Illyrian influence.
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Post by Moe Lester on Oct 25, 2011 1:02:28 GMT -5
I noticed, wherever Albanians make a sizeable minority, they start some sort of armed confilct; Serbia, Macedonia.
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Post by Shqipni13 on Oct 25, 2011 3:53:34 GMT -5
^We just want what's ours. Nothing more.
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Post by Moe Lester on Oct 25, 2011 3:55:42 GMT -5
Foreign land?
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Post by Nikola on Oct 25, 2011 6:54:07 GMT -5
Poorest Countries in Europe; Country GDP per capita 1. Moldova $2,500 2. Bosnia and Herzegovina $6,600 3. Kosovo $6,600 4. Ukraine $6,700 5. Albania $8,000 6. Macedonia $9,700 7. Montenegro $10,100 8. Serbia $10,900 9. Romania $11,600 10. Bulgaria $13,500 www.aneki.com/poorest_europe.htmlAlbania is till poorer than Macedonia. Bosnia & Kosovo equal second poorest... Tirana could be the dullest city on the planet. 1) You've never been to Tirana or Albania so you shouldn't post anyting 2) The 250euro salary that your family receives from the government wouldn't be enough to cover the bus ride to Tirana and the only vacation your family enjoys is the yearly weekend vacation to hotel milovski in ohrid.. Not to mention Tirana is one of the fastest growing cities in Europe and not a fake city that has to rely on using statues of ancient man on hourse to generate tourists.. lol 3) Albania is twice the country titostan is.. Despite many of the problems with Albania it's progressing nicely and is experiencing booms in tourism and the country is modernizing but hey titostan has the 2014 plan!! Alot of my cousins in the old FYROM have moved to Albania as there is better high end work there. 4) Macedonia is as poor if not poorer than Albania.. Almost 40% of the population is unemployed and it's much higher with the youth(around 50%) there is no good jobs in macedonia and all the jobs are brain drain type of jobs. I bet your unemployed and collect welfare checks and get a free apartment from the gov't since your a son of Alexander. All the slavs in my town in FYROM have gotten new apartments paid off by the gov't and get monthly welfare checks. Lazy f**ks All the valuable workers leave the country and therefore the country is in s**t today. 5) GDP per capita doesn't show how rich or poor a citizen of a certain country is but I wouldn't expect you to understand that. If you also want to play that game Albania has been having positive economic growth for years while Macedonia has been regressing.. Oh god, two Balkanians arguing about who has a better economy. It's like watching the Paralympics. Even if you win... No offence guy's.
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Post by missanthropology58 on Oct 25, 2011 6:58:01 GMT -5
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Post by Novi Pazar on Oct 25, 2011 22:03:18 GMT -5
"I noticed, wherever Albanians make a sizeable minority, they start some sort of armed confilct; Serbia, Macedonia."
Napoleon, is that you, you o.k buddy? That comment by you is unlike you, is everything fine?
Napoleon, l would also add Montenegro and Greece, Albanians have aspirations to steal land and create an ethnically pure greater albania.
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Post by Sokol on Oct 25, 2011 22:18:21 GMT -5
yes, they have these plans but they are not strong enough to achieve them.
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Post by Moe Lester on Oct 25, 2011 23:54:25 GMT -5
Napoleon, l would also add Montenegro and Greece, Albanians have aspirations to steal land and create an ethnically pure greater albania. Not to be offensive or anything, but I noticed the same thing with Serbs during the 90's.
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Post by Shqipni13 on Oct 26, 2011 0:38:53 GMT -5
Albanians are indigenous squirt. But you being in Australia and me being in the states. Yeah we are on foreign land. God bless the souls of the aborignees and native Americans.
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Post by Sokol on Oct 26, 2011 0:50:00 GMT -5
Albanians are first mentioned in the Balkans in the 11th century AD; "The first undisputed mention of Albanians in the historical record is attested in Byzantine source for the first time in 1079-1080, in a work titled History by Byzantine historian Michael Attaliates, who referred to the Albanoi as having taken part in a revolt against Constantinople in 1043 and to the Arbanitai as subjects of the duke of Dyrrachium. It is disputed, however, whether the "Albanoi" of the events of 1043 refers to Albanians in an ethnic sense or whether "Albanoi" is a reference to Normans from Sicily under an archaic name (there was also tribe of Italy by the name of "Albanoi").[28] However a later reference to Albanians from the same Attaliates, regarding the participation of Albanians in a rebellion around 1078, is undisputed.[23] At this point, they are already fully Christianized, although Albanian mythology and folklore are part of the Paleo-Balkan pagan mythology,[29] in particular showing Greek influence.[30]" Sources: ^ The wars of the Balkan Peninsula: their medieval origins G - Reference, Information and Interdisciplinary Subjects Series Authors Alexandru Madgearu, Martin Gordon Editor Martin Gordon Translated by Alexandru Madgearu Edition illustrated Publisher Scarecrow Press, 2008 ISBN 0-8108-5846-0, 9780810858466 It was supposed that those Albanoi from 1042 were Normans from Sicily, called by an archaic name (the Albanoi were an independent tribe from Southern Italy), p. 25 ^ Bonnefoy, Yves (1993-05-15). American, African, and Old European mythologies. University of Chicago Press. p. 253. ISBN 978-0-226-06457-4. books.google.gr/books?id=GYjc5POwJjAC&pg=PA253&dq=Although+Albanian+mythology+has+not+yet+been+the+subject+of+a+monograph&hl=en&ei=QBwVTdPyGYOh8QPZ3rWFBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CDEQ6AEwBA#v=snippet&q=Although%20Albanian%20mythology%20has%20not%20yet%20been%20the%20subject%20of%20a%20monograph%2C%20it%20has%20been%20treated%20in%20many%20essays%20and%20articles%20on%20linguistics%2C%20folklore%2C%20and%20ethnology.%20This%20mythology%20can%20be%20considered%20part%20of%20the%20of%20the%20Balkan%20pagan%20tradition&f=false. Retrieved 24 December 2010. ^ Mircea Eliade, Charles J. Adams, The Encyclopedia of religion, Macmillan, 1987, ISBN 978-0-02-909700-7, p. 179.
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Post by terroreign on Oct 26, 2011 1:00:07 GMT -5
Albanians are indigenous squirt. But you being in Australia and me being in the states. Yeah we are on foreign land. God bless the souls of the aborignees and native Americans. yeah, good luck proving that. meanwhile serbs have over a millennia of proven existence in the balkans...
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Post by Shqipni13 on Oct 26, 2011 1:03:57 GMT -5
^You mean starting from 6-7th century? Haha. Your slavic gods are waiting in the carpathians for you guys to come back.
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Post by Shqipni13 on Oct 26, 2011 1:14:44 GMT -5
Albanians are first mentioned in the Balkans in the 11th century AD; "The first undisputed mention of Albanians in the historical record is attested in Byzantine source for the first time in 1079-1080, in a work titled History by Byzantine historian Michael Attaliates, who referred to the Albanoi as having taken part in a revolt against Constantinople in 1043 and to the Arbanitai as subjects of the duke of Dyrrachium. It is disputed, however, whether the "Albanoi" of the events of 1043 refers to Albanians in an ethnic sense or whether "Albanoi" is a reference to Normans from Sicily under an archaic name (there was also tribe of Italy by the name of "Albanoi").[28] However a later reference to Albanians from the same Attaliates, regarding the participation of Albanians in a rebellion around 1078, is undisputed.[23] At this point, they are already fully Christianized, although Albanian mythology and folklore are part of the Paleo-Balkan pagan mythology,[29] in particular showing Greek influence.[30]" Sources: ^ The wars of the Balkan Peninsula: their medieval origins G - Reference, Information and Interdisciplinary Subjects Series Authors Alexandru Madgearu, Martin Gordon Editor Martin Gordon Translated by Alexandru Madgearu Edition illustrated Publisher Scarecrow Press, 2008 ISBN 0-8108-5846-0, 9780810858466 It was supposed that those Albanoi from 1042 were Normans from Sicily, called by an archaic name (the Albanoi were an independent tribe from Southern Italy), p. 25 ^ Bonnefoy, Yves (1993-05-15). American, African, and Old European mythologies. University of Chicago Press. p. 253. ISBN 978-0-226-06457-4. books.google.gr/books?id=GYjc5POwJjAC&pg=PA253&dq=Although+Albanian+mythology+has+not+yet+been+the+subject+of+a+monograph&hl=en&ei=QBwVTdPyGYOh8QPZ3rWFBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CDEQ6AEwBA#v=snippet&q=Although%20Albanian%20mythology%20has%20not%20yet%20been%20the%20subject%20of%20a%20monograph%2C%20it%20has%20been%20treated%20in%20many%20essays%20and%20articles%20on%20linguistics%2C%20folklore%2C%20and%20ethnology.%20This%20mythology%20can%20be%20considered%20part%20of%20the%20of%20the%20Balkan%20pagan%20tradition&f=false. Retrieved 24 December 2010. ^ Mircea Eliade, Charles J. Adams, The Encyclopedia of religion, Macmillan, 1987, ISBN 978-0-02-909700-7, p. 179. The Albanoi from sicily 1042? Haha. What about Albanoi in ptolemy's geographia? You silly waste of sperm. I do want your people to keep instigating though, with your faggot on a horse statues, and encyclopedias. It will only bring out the best in us.
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Post by Moe Lester on Oct 26, 2011 1:53:58 GMT -5
A millennium is one thousand years. So, if Serbs were first recorded in the 6-7 century, it would mean they are recorded to exist for over a millennium.
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Post by Shqipni13 on Oct 26, 2011 2:45:03 GMT -5
^True. But compared to the Albanians they are still newcomers. I've always said though, Serbia for the Serbs.
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Post by Moe Lester on Oct 26, 2011 3:56:08 GMT -5
So you want Bosniaks, Croats, Hungarians, Bulgarians, Romanians and Rusyns to leave Serbia?
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Post by Novi Pazar on Oct 26, 2011 7:26:47 GMT -5
Shqipni, Albanians are the newest commers to the Balkans. The oldest are the Greeks and Romanised locals (Romanians, Vlachs, Aromanians etc....)
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Post by Novi Pazar on Oct 26, 2011 7:32:17 GMT -5
"meanwhile serbs have over a millennia of proven existence in the balkans..."
Most certainly, artifacts were found from Vardar itself dating to the 6th century (from serbs). Some scholars have proposed that small groups of Slavs may have even started to migrate to the south balkans earlier than the 6th century, they put it around 4th century?
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Oct 26, 2011 10:00:23 GMT -5
"I noticed, wherever Albanians make a sizeable minority, they start some sort of armed confilct; Serbia, Macedonia." Napoleon, is that you, you o.k buddy? That comment by you is unlike you, is everything fine? Napoleon, l would also add Montenegro and Greece, Albanians have aspirations to steal land and create an ethnically pure greater albania. lol, napoleon had one (of his very rare) moment of enlightenment ;D
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