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Post by Sokol on Aug 29, 2012 0:18:47 GMT -5
www.maticanaiselenici.com/?page=read_news&id=28318Македонците од Ðлбанија побараа подршка од СÐД за Ñвоите праваСкопје, 25 авгуÑÑ‚ 2012 Ðа маргините на Школата за млади лидери што Ñе одржува во Охрид под покровителÑтво на претÑедателот Ѓорге Иванов, преÑтавници на македонÑкото и ромÑкото малцинÑтво во Ðлбанија, ВаÑил СтерјовÑки од МакедонÑка алијанÑа за европÑка интерација и Ðрбен КоÑтури преÑедател на ромÑкото здружение “ДиÑутни Ðлбанија†оÑтварија Ñредба Ñо Филип Рикер заменик помошник на државниот Ñекретар на Соединетите ÐмериканÑки Држави. Ðа Ñредбата СтерјовÑки и КоÑтури го запознале Рикер Ñо положбата на малцинÑтвата во Ðлбанија и потешкотиите што ги имаат околу интегрирањето во Ñоцијалниот, културниот и политичкиот живот , како и за проблемот Ñо образованието на мајчин јазик за преÑтавниците на малцинÑтвата. При тоа тие побарале подршка од официјален Вашингтон за подобрување на правата на малцинÑтвата во Ðлбанија. Заменик-помошникот државниот Ñекретар Рикер, бил информиран дека малцинÑтвата Ñе лојални граѓани на Ðлбанија и бараат што побрзо итегрирање на Ðлбанија во ЕвропÑката унија и дека интеграцијата треба да оди паралелно Ñо подобрувањето на правата на малцинÑтвата. Заменик-помошникот државниот Ñекретар Рикер иÑтакнал дека Соединетите ÐмериканÑки Држави ќе продолжат да помагаат во интегрирањето на Ðлбанија во ЕвропÑката унија, затоа што ова е единÑтвената алтернатива на Ðлбанија како и на земјите од регионот, и оти почитувањето на правата на малцинÑтвата е еден од приоритетите од иÑполнувањето на Ñтандартите за европÑката интеграција. ИÑто така, ВаÑил СтерјовÑки и Ðрбен КоÑтури Ñе Ñретнале и Ñо претÑедателот Иванов Ñо кого разговарале околу положбата на малцинÑтвата во Ðлбанија и во Македонија.
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Post by Sokol on Aug 30, 2012 22:03:23 GMT -5
FM Poposki meets Macedonians from Golo Brdo Wednesday, 29 August 2012 Foreign Minister Nikola Poposki Wednesday visited the border region Golo Brdo in Albania, mainly populated by ethnic Macedonians. Poposki held talks with representatives of the local population of Trebiste municipality, who urged for opening of Dzepiste - Trebiste border crossing and speeding up the project for improvement of road infrastructure in Golo Brdo region. Macedonia's and Albania's Governments have agreed for the border crossing to be opened as soon as possible and I hope to soon see people to cross this section only with an identity card as agreed, Poposki said after the talks. The talks also addressed the need of Trebiste residents to learn the Macedonian language. Students from Trebsite municipality attended Summer Camp for Macedonian Language on August 12-19 in Ohrid, intended for children belonging to the Macedonian national minority living in the neighbouring countries under the auspices of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MoFA), which as Poposki said, would keep supporting such activities. macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/21719/45/
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2012 22:04:00 GMT -5
Lol this thread makes no sense, no matter how ever you put it, the maximum number of slavic speakers in Albania is 15,000, of which maybe only 8,000 identify as slavo vardarians, the rest either identify as Albs or interestingly enough Bulgars.
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Post by Sokol on Sept 3, 2012 19:11:54 GMT -5
Lol this thread makes no sense, no matter how ever you put it, the maximum number of slavic speakers in Albania is 15,000, of which maybe only 8,000 identify as slavo vardarians, the rest either identify as Albs or interestingly enough Bulgars. "slavo vardarians"? I don't think anyone the world identifies as such, let alone the ethnic Macedonians in Albania...
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Post by Shqipni13 on Sept 3, 2012 20:23:03 GMT -5
^Don't Bulgarian politicians also visit these same areas of Albania?
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Post by Sokol on Sept 3, 2012 20:33:50 GMT -5
^Don't Bulgarian politicians also visit these same areas of Albania? Yes they do, and those areas in Kosovo populated by Macedonian muslims ie., Gorani. I believe the Bulgars even have an agency office in the region to try and convince these Macedonian citizens they are Bulgarians, and what benefits they get by having Bulgarian citizenship.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Sept 4, 2012 5:48:15 GMT -5
^ Chento, its Bulgarian Exarchos revisted Version 2.0, new and improved.....wa.nkers.
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Post by ioan on Sept 4, 2012 13:26:27 GMT -5
yet no one of those people identify as Serboi, which according to Novis world REJECTED ideas, was their ancient selfidentification (not attested by anyone).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2012 20:48:06 GMT -5
^Don't Bulgarian politicians also visit these same areas of Albania? Yes they do, and those areas in Kosovo populated by Macedonian muslims ie., Gorani. I believe the Bulgars even have an agency office in the region to try and convince these Macedonian citizens they are Bulgarians, and what benefits they get by having Bulgarian citizenship. LOL, the question is, what differentiates a "Macedonian" from a Bulgar, you both speak the same language, have the same traditions etc etc. So if these Gorani feel Bulgarian , why shouldnt they be?
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Post by Sokol on Sept 4, 2012 20:58:11 GMT -5
Yes they do, and those areas in Kosovo populated by Macedonian muslims ie., Gorani. I believe the Bulgars even have an agency office in the region to try and convince these Macedonian citizens they are Bulgarians, and what benefits they get by having Bulgarian citizenship. LOL, the question is, what differentiates a "Macedonian" from a Bulgar, you both speak the same language, have the same traditions etc etc. So if these Gorani feel Bulgarian , why shouldnt they be? They can be what ever they want to be, but 15,000 of them currently have Macedonian citizenship. Some differences between Macedonians and Bulgarians; 1. Racially, Bulgarians have a higher degree of Asiatic blood in them (from the proto-Bulgars) 2. Macedonian language and alphabet are different to Bulgarian. 3. Macedonians celebrate Slava, Bulgarians do not. 4. Macedonians are old-calendarists, Bulgarians are not.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Sept 4, 2012 23:23:09 GMT -5
"LOL, the question is, what differentiates a "Macedonian" from a Bulgar, you both speak the same language, have the same traditions etc etc. So if these Gorani feel Bulgarian , why shouldnt they be?"
Sorcelow, my friend, language is not an indicator for Balkan Slavs. Let me give you an example, the Western Bulgars speak Serbian, so are they Serbs? You must understand that all Balkan Slavs at one point in time, approximately upto the 10th century, were speaking ONE slavic language there was no Bulgar, Serb, Croatian etc....The language the Balkan Slavs called, was simply, Slavic. Clement, never once called the language he was speaking *Bulgarian* but Slavic. To find ones ancestry, you must look at migrations/history and culture. The culture of the Bulgarians and Vardarian Slavs (Fyrom/Macedonia) is 180 degrees.
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Post by punisher on Sept 5, 2012 4:35:33 GMT -5
--Edit-- are bulgarians,their dna proves it --Edit-- dont have much I2a like other southslavs do but they have same haplogroups like bulgaria
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Post by ioan on Sept 5, 2012 5:55:59 GMT -5
Sorcelow, my friend, language is not an indicator for Balkan Slavs. The language has always been indicator of ones ethnicity. The sole definition *classic) of a nation requires common language of the people from the same nation. All linguists are certain on the following: the southslavic today is devided into Southwestern slavic (Serbian is such) and Southeastern Slavic (Bulgarian and Macecedonian). Clearly Serbian is separated from the eastern southslavic: it is not possiblle that any Bulgarians or Macedonians are or were ever Serboi. However Torlakian (there are over 20000 Torlaks in Serbia who in their OFFICIAL CENSUS published by the state of Serbia identified as Bulgarians) shares alot of gramatic features of Southeastern slavic. The fact that its classified as Serboi dialect in Serbia is highly contradictional.
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Post by Sokol on Sept 5, 2012 20:05:46 GMT -5
Sorcelow, my friend, language is not an indicator for Balkan Slavs. The language has always been indicator of ones ethnicity. The sole definition *classic) of a nation requires common language of the people from the same nation. All linguists are certain on the following: the southslavic today is devided into Southwestern slavic (Serbian is such) and Southeastern Slavic (Bulgarian and Macecedonian). Clearly Serbian is separated from the eastern southslavic: it is not possiblle that any Bulgarians or Macedonians are or were ever Serboi. However Torlakian (there are over 20000 Torlaks in Serbia who in their OFFICIAL CENSUS published by the state of Serbia identified as Bulgarians) shares alot of gramatic features of Southeastern slavic. The fact that its classified as Serboi dialect in Serbia is highly contradictional. So where does this place the Croatian language and the Croats?
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Post by Novi Pazar on Sept 5, 2012 23:21:46 GMT -5
--Edit-- are bulgarians,their dna proves it --Edit-- dont have much I2a like other southslavs do but they have same haplogroups like bulgaria Actually punisher, the genetics of the Vardarian-Macedonian-Fyromian-Slavs are almost identical to Serbs, not Turko-Slavs like Bu Lgari. PS Albano-Bulgar mentality is the same
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Post by Novi Pazar on Sept 5, 2012 23:24:45 GMT -5
Sorcelow, my friend, language is not an indicator for Balkan Slavs. The language has always been indicator of ones ethnicity. The sole definition *classic) of a nation requires common language of the people from the same nation. All linguists are certain on the following: the southslavic today is devided into Southwestern slavic (Serbian is such) and Southeastern Slavic (Bulgarian and Macecedonian). Clearly Serbian is separated from the eastern southslavic: it is not possiblle that any Bulgarians or Macedonians are or were ever Serboi. However Torlakian (there are over 20000 Torlaks in Serbia who in their OFFICIAL CENSUS published by the state of Serbia identified as Bulgarians) shares alot of gramatic features of Southeastern slavic. The fact that its classified as Serboi dialect in Serbia is highly contradictional. O.k then, idiot, OLD CHURCH SLAVONIC is pure Serbian because Serbian slavs in 6th century spoke the same declensional language.....yes, language is an indicator for ethnicity because Serbian is old church slavonic, BuLgarsko evolved from serbian ;D
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Post by armani on Sept 6, 2012 3:17:12 GMT -5
The language has always been indicator of ones ethnicity. The sole definition *classic) of a nation requires common language of the people from the same nation. All linguists are certain on the following: the southslavic today is devided into Southwestern slavic (Serbian is such) and Southeastern Slavic (Bulgarian and Macecedonian). Clearly Serbian is separated from the eastern southslavic: it is not possiblle that any Bulgarians or Macedonians are or were ever Serboi. However Torlakian (there are over 20000 Torlaks in Serbia who in their OFFICIAL CENSUS published by the state of Serbia identified as Bulgarians) shares alot of gramatic features of Southeastern slavic. The fact that its classified as Serboi dialect in Serbia is highly contradictional. So where does this place the Croatian language and the Croats? I believe that Serbs and Croats are basically the same people, but divided because political reasons.
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Post by armani on Sept 6, 2012 3:25:20 GMT -5
--Edit-- are bulgarians,their dna proves it --Edit-- dont have much I2a like other southslavs do but they have same haplogroups like bulgaria Actually punisher, the genetics of the Vardarian-Macedonian-Fyromian-Slavs are almost identical to Serbs, not Turko-Slavs like Bu Lgari. PS Albano-Bulgar mentality is the same It seems that Macedonians are closer to Romanians and Bulgarians which makes perfect sense.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Sept 6, 2012 4:28:47 GMT -5
^ Yes, l see the YG (Serbs) and MK colors are the same. Bulgarians and Romanians are the same shade as each other ;D
Read below:
Subclade J2f1 is present at 2.5% in Serbs and Slavic Macedonians. I1b* (xM26) is at 29-32% in Serbs, Macedonians and Croats, as low as 3% in Macedonian Roma and Kosovar Albanians, as high as 63% in Herzegovinians. The R1a is the same in Macedonians and Serbs at 15% and close to Herzegovinians at 12%, notable gap between the Albanians (4%) and Croats (35%). Bosnian Serbs are closer to Bosniaks than to Croats, the J Haplogroup is 9% in Serbs and 12% in Bosniaks and almost non-existent among Croats. I-P37 is higher in Croats (71%) than in Serbs (31%) and Bosniaks (44%).[2] In Europe, the highest frequency of the E3b1-α cluster is among Kosovo Albanians (45.6%), Albanians (27.0%), and Macedonians (24.1%). The frequency of this cluster among Serbs from Serbia is 20.4%, and among Herzegovinians 8.5%.[3]
Y Chromosome HG2 is around 50% in Yugoslavs, Georgians, Ukrainians, with Turks and French at 25%. HG1 is at 10-15% in Serbs, Greeks, Cypriots, Belarusians, Ukrainians and in the Baltic peoples. HG3 is frequent in Central Europe but declines towards Eurasia, 15% in Serbs and Romanians, 8% in Greeks, 50% in Russians and 55% in Poles. HG9 is non-existent in Northern Europe, 10% in Czechs, Slovaks, Slovenes, Serbs, Portuguese, higher concentration in Italy, Greece, Turkey and Caucasus. HG21 is at 13% in Serbs, Italians and Portuguese, higher concentration in Greeks at 30% and as low as 4% in Ukrainians.[4] Haplogroup I2, predominant in Western Balkans
The high frequencies of haplogroup I1b* (xM26) among Serbs and neighboring Slavic-speaking populations, the highest in Europe, testify to their common paternal lineage. Serbs have also a relatively high frequency of R1a. High frequencies of both I1b* (xM26) and R1a are characteristic for Slavic paternal gene pool. The main genetic heterogeneity among Serbs is observed in the frequencies of the E3b1-α cluster. The population of the Dinaric complex has a significantly lower frequency of that cluster than the population of the Morava-Danube river system. This is a result of the distribution of different pre-Slavic Balkan populations.[3]
The ethnic group closest to the Serbs genetically is the Macedonian Slavs.
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