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Post by Sokol on Dec 19, 2011 18:02:11 GMT -5
^ Moe, their traditions are Serbian. Have a look above, the picture shows they are dancing the Serbian oro/horo/kola Nice try Novi, the oro is not Serbian. It is Balkanian. It is pre-Slav infact, which is why it is danced by Slav and non-Slav alike in the Balkans. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hora_(dance)
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Post by Sokol on Dec 19, 2011 17:33:14 GMT -5
I don't think most Gorani identify themselves as Macedonians. I think most them identify as Gorani, not Serbs, not Bulgarians not anything else. Although lets be real, they clearly are of Serbian origin. Why would a non-Serbian ethnic group celebrate Saint SAVA as their patron saint? Gorani are Macedonian Muslims, and they celebrate a number of Christian holidays en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonian_Muslimswww.reka.org.mk/tekst.asp?lang=eng&tekst=4
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Post by Sokol on Dec 19, 2011 17:25:14 GMT -5
One thing I don't understand is why they use Macedonian symbols and on the banner it says "Македонс", I can't see the rest. Moe, the celebration above included Macedonians from other parts of Macedonia. The sign you are referring to says Makedoncite od Egejot...Macedonians from the Aegean, who were also present to support their brothers and sisters in Kosovo.
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Post by Sokol on Dec 19, 2011 17:20:39 GMT -5
yes rex i know. the macedonians of greece currently have good co-operation with the vlachs, turks and pomaks. i'm not to sure about the albanians/arvanites though.
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Post by Sokol on Dec 19, 2011 0:13:04 GMT -5
In the words of then Prime Minister Constantine Mitsotakis, in an interview to Economicos Tachydromos (19/8/1993):
“I understood the Skopje issue from the very beginning in its real dimension. What had concerned me from the very beginning was not the country’s name, which is related with the historical dimension of the problem and has mostly psychological and sentimental value. The problem for me was to avoid the emergence of a second minority problem in Western Macedonia. (...) For me, the aim had always been that that Republic should clearly state that there is no Slavomacedonian minority in Greece and to commit itself through international treaties to stop all irredentist propaganda against Greece. That was the key in the Greek-Skopjan dispute.”
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Post by Sokol on Dec 18, 2011 23:56:43 GMT -5
What does this mean for the ethnic Macedonian minority of Greece. Will they be recognised as 'Upper Macedonians' who speak 'Upper Macedonian'??
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Post by Sokol on Dec 18, 2011 23:55:29 GMT -5
Macedonia became a majority Slavic region from the 6th century onwards up until 1913, when it was divided and 51% of it was taken by the Greek state. Since that time Greece has embarked on a major Hellenisation project and sought to de-Slavicize the Macedonian territory it acquired in 1913. It has used a number of techniques - population swaps with neighbouring states, forced expulsion, forced assimilation, state discrimination against it's Slavic speakers etc etc. As a result of these policies, Greece's portion of Macedonia has largely been Hellenised, however a Slavic Macedonian minority still exists. They are mainly concentrated in cities such as Florina/Lerin, Voden/Edessa, and Kostur/Kastoria. This minority problem for Greece will not go away with the resolution of the name dispute....
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Post by Sokol on Dec 18, 2011 22:13:40 GMT -5
Kosovo is not entirely albanian either, in fact neither is albania itself...
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Post by Sokol on Dec 18, 2011 21:54:53 GMT -5
Im happier to remain in black hole than to remain under serbs, and btw you will always remain as a slav. i'm happy for you too and i hope you remain this way forever....and yes the republic of macedonia is a slavic nation and don't you forget it...
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Post by Sokol on Dec 18, 2011 21:26:23 GMT -5
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Post by Sokol on Dec 18, 2011 21:20:51 GMT -5
Ethnic Macedonian region of Kosovo
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Post by Sokol on Dec 18, 2011 19:43:14 GMT -5
Macedonians, but I don't see any pictures of Greeks. I notice a map of Macedonia aswell, but no map of Greece
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Post by Sokol on Dec 18, 2011 19:25:30 GMT -5
^Did they serve willingly or unwillingly in the Bulgarian Army? My grandpa was a partisan in southern Kosovo. He told me he actually fought in conjunction with Macedonian partisans that operated in the area quite a bit. They were drafted. One of them later joined the partizans and served in the Debar region of Macedonia.
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Post by Sokol on Dec 18, 2011 19:23:30 GMT -5
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Post by Sokol on Dec 18, 2011 18:42:43 GMT -5
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Post by Sokol on Dec 18, 2011 18:07:39 GMT -5
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Post by Sokol on Dec 18, 2011 17:51:31 GMT -5
now for example if it was us Albanians arguing with the neo greeks that we are Macedons ....we would of accomplished it with no problems and it would be a shut case ......the Illyrian/Thracian connections but southern slavs ....its just silly and embarrassing certain Bulgars can claim somewhat as well bcs of melted in Thracians so your better off claiming Bulgarianism to make it possibly work the problem was when politics/religion referred to you simply by geographic location such as ....Pirin macedonian /agean macedonians the roosters and donkeys in Prilep are Macedonian as well today careful rexy with your pro-bulgar stances. be careful what you wish for. the bulgars in ww2 rejoiced in the slaughter of shiptar scum. i know because my grandfathers served in the bg army....you are sadly mistaken if you believe that bulgars support you. they play politics like all in the balkans, but if they were to take r. macedonia - trust me, you shiptars would be far worse off...i notice your maps include ohrid and bitola...tsk tsk tsk don't get too cocky and piss of the bulgars with such maps...
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Post by Sokol on Dec 16, 2011 0:06:08 GMT -5
What's this a statue of Alexander The Great in Bulgaria, LOL. do you mean this statue in Solun??
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Post by Sokol on Dec 15, 2011 23:55:51 GMT -5
the strangest and most ironic was back in the 1990's when a political Macedonia delegation went to Sophia and met with the Bulgarian delegation.....the Macs had brought along 2 translators ....the Bulgarians thought they were just part of the group ....well the Bulgarians started first and the translator started ..... the Bulgarians cried of laughter ....the Macs started to laugh as well btw ... even Mac Albs can carry on a conversation with Bulgarians no problem You see, your knowledge of the Macedonian language has it's advantages. Whereas who else understands the Albanian language other than Albanians themselves??
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Post by Sokol on Dec 15, 2011 23:50:16 GMT -5
Your friend looks Lebanese
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