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Post by ljubotan on Apr 13, 2011 8:43:24 GMT -5
my 2 cents....i may use macedonian grammar when i speak with family (knigata etc), however, i understand everyday Serbian with ease but struggle to understand anything Bulgarian.
Even before the official status of a Macedonian nation (post WW2), Macedonians considered themselves as such almost 100yrs prior to that. Bottom line, they felt seperate from Bulgarians and even Serbians. Also, the language/dialect between Mak&Bulg are far far greater apart than say Serbian/Croatian. I do not see the physical similarities between the 2 nations either and the biggest problem for Macedonia is she claims a false name which lends itself to say if they're not Macedonian then they're Bulgarian period. If she was called 'Vardarska' or 'Vardarija', the claims on her would have been shut sealed a long time ago!
At the end of the day there are enough differences between Maks and Bulg for both to be considered seperate ethnicities (not based on current events but even so 100yrs ago). I don't think the Turks offered anything different on the census 120yrs ago, but either to mark yourself as a Turk, Bulgarian, Greek, Gypsy and Roma. Given those choices even I would have selected Bulgarian, as its the only Slavic choice of Orthodox faith.
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Post by ljubotan on Mar 31, 2011 14:26:53 GMT -5
You can definitely tell by looking at some Serbs which region they hail from. I'm very light skinned with green eyes, but I don't have the typical 'Serb nose'; which is very straight at the bridge and at times hocks down with a pointy tip end. I have the infamous slight bump on the bridge with a slightly rounded tip and a longer face with a very strong jaw line.
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Post by ljubotan on Mar 30, 2011 14:30:01 GMT -5
I'm 6'2, and when I go to my local Serbian church I feel very short. The avg Serb there is from Bosnia and Krajina, and they're easily 6'2 and above. Now anytime I've been around Macedonians, I am above avg height, so there's definitely physical differences and I'd agree with Asen that Maks/Bulgarians are closer to Romanians/Greeks from a stature point of view.
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Post by ljubotan on Mar 18, 2011 14:59:42 GMT -5
all i got to say, is step up from behind your computer mtfkr. Open invitation anytime anywhere...i'm here in Chicago!!
PM me if you want to take this further!
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Post by ljubotan on Mar 18, 2011 10:50:38 GMT -5
shqipni13
you a little punk btch talking shet! you a malisor from CG living in NY/Detroit?
come down to Chitown and talk that shet you're saying to Krivo in my face!!!!
i respect albanians, yes i do...very well organized and this is a free country; however, faggit, when you go talking your mouth like that maybe you shouldn't hide behind a computer.
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Post by ljubotan on Mar 2, 2011 12:19:46 GMT -5
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Post by ljubotan on Feb 15, 2011 23:17:24 GMT -5
that's for clarifying Rex, because I surely didn't expect that from you.
by the way, i moved to Edison Park today (Northwestern/Devon area); I think right down the road from your restaurant.
true, my grandfather died a couple wks ago and sure enough a group of albanian men from another village came to the burial. many do have good neighborly relations amongest eachother, so i agree with your statement.
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Post by ljubotan on Feb 15, 2011 13:14:27 GMT -5
what is it that you expected Macedonia to do for you? albanian criminal activity is very successful there, and you guys do what you want anyways. the bottom line is you guys look for every little crack to cry wolf and say we can't live together we must split.
maybe a split (by federalization) is on the horizon and my village would surely fall into your hands, but I know in Tetovo there aren't any issues against albanians (its a 70/30 split in your favor there).
How have you been directly affected by the 'mistreatment' of albanians by the mak govt by living in the states?
PS - wtf do you mean i need to look east to Bulgaria. you telling me to pack up and head east? I have 2 hands like you, I don't need to look to anyone but myself! I respect you on these forums, I suggest you show the same and restrain from threats.
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Post by ljubotan on Feb 15, 2011 10:28:23 GMT -5
what is it that either side truly wants and at what cost??
the maks don't trust the albanians because there is an open agenda of a unified albania, hence, probably why all of the 2001 ohrid agreement hasn't been fulfilled.
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Post by ljubotan on Feb 14, 2011 15:32:48 GMT -5
facts are facts and that's albanians are 30% strong in MK, especially NW. No need for either side to instigate sht by building heavy religious buildings only to start war at the end.
i mentioned this few mths back...my proud grandfather was killed(needled to death) in a staricki dom in Skopje. on top of that they returned his body to the village naked and stole all his clothes that my sister sent from the states. there are no morals left in MK or anywhere else in ex Jug. pay someone 100euros and they'll kill anyone you want.
the balkans are interesting for me from a historical/language standpoint, but otherwise i thank my parents for leaving that dump back in the late 60's.
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Post by ljubotan on Feb 10, 2011 16:02:46 GMT -5
that's sad, i have no words
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Post by ljubotan on Feb 10, 2011 15:23:49 GMT -5
i think that's a wrong assessment of Albanians. they would kill the daughter w/out a second thought, whereas Slavs would disown her and then accept her back yrs later (we're more civilized than the latter).
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Post by ljubotan on Feb 10, 2011 10:36:15 GMT -5
Arsenije - not surprising, just another brass comment by someone attesting to his 'cleanest Serb blood' bs. I won't argue that those regions are the original Serb lands, and lands that have grown the most Serbian Saints, Kings, warriors, thugs/criminals, Presidents, killers etc etc; however, if that mentality is kept up then Serbdom is truly confined to a country that seperated (aka Black Mountain) from the Serbian name.
What were Hercegovinans/Montenegrins prior to the arrival of Slavic tribes?...Greeks/Romans/Albanians, right? Serbia prides itself on Orthodoxy, therefore, I'd like to point out to these high flying true Serbs that Macedonians and Kosovars were Orthodox before the arrival of St Sava!
We're not going to change the mentality of any of these idiots, that's just how they're programmed in the old country and pride runs very high in those locations.
The nosnja dress is not a new thing in Serbia/Kosovo/MK/BG, on the contrary, they've been around just as long but are visably different. Our differences should be accepted and looked at as we're from one mother, just like 2 brothers coming from a single mother or 2 neighbors from the same village. Differences run high from your own sibling let alone someone from Banja Luka and Nis. The result of the Serb mentality is defined by looking at a Balkan map....split into pieces. No one else on the Balkan peninsula has a greater complex than Serbs!!
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Post by ljubotan on Feb 9, 2011 13:58:29 GMT -5
Yes, we say 'gledav' instead of 'gledaju'. We use what some Serbians say are archaic Serbian words with an incorrect use of Macedonian grammar. The differences in dialect from Bitola to Sar Planina are much greater than Leskovac to Banja Luka for instance.
We use 'gu, ga, mu'...all torlak words just sometimes with our own slang (village speech); however, 'sakam, razibiram, deka' etc, well it doesn't get any non Serbian than that and my forefathers NEVER considered themselves Bulgarian.
I just think its sad and pathetic that many Serbs out of local pride (I"m/We're the best) try so hard to discredit other Serb peoples. All because of little grammar, yet the words are 85% the same?
I'll say it again, look at Albanians; 3 different religions and 2 different dialect......BUT an Albanian Muslim would kill you or I if he saw his brother Albanian Orthodox in trouble.
So, based on the reactions I've recieved personally, I said well maybe I need to look further because its evident many Serbs want to keep me in the Macedonian bracket.
Onda Krivo, nema potreba da vise zborim za Srpstvo i CCCC; kad vasi ili tvoji gledav samo da dvojev nas samo zasto smo od Makedonija. Verovatno toa razlog zbog nase govor i seljacko/prost misljenje...koj je dosta prekazano kroz cela bivse-Jug. Brate, ne sam ja druga klasa covek i to pored neki Srbin/Srbjanac!
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Post by ljubotan on Feb 9, 2011 11:20:25 GMT -5
My village which is on the Kosovo border (Sar Planina - Strpce/Prizren area), speaks a 'sub-dialect' of Torlak, but is Macedonian in grammar.
You won't catch us saying 'sa Srbima' (with Serbs), but instead 'sa Srbite'. We've always had a Slava, but that could have been inherited from the Serbian church which had control of all NW Macedonian up until 17??.
Fk, at the end of the day Serbs were never and are currently not united anyways. Look at Montenegro, land of 'original Serbs', they broke away and look down on any other Serb that's not from CG.
Bottom line Krivo, we in Macedonia be it Serb or Macedonian are very different in mentality and appearance than majority of Serbs/Serbians north and west of Kosovo.
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Post by ljubotan on Feb 8, 2011 12:24:04 GMT -5
Nice gusle, but confirms 'to me' that Montenegrins/Albanians are one and same peeps.
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Post by ljubotan on Feb 7, 2011 16:07:33 GMT -5
The Gusle has always been absent in Macedonia, and St. Sava day was only introduced after WWI.
Novi - Ostrog Monastir for instance, it's very well known to Serbs but very unknown to Slavs of Macedonia. My parents have no clue or grandparents (God bless them) who Vasilije Ostroski was. There is not a continous link of Serbdom into Macedonia, instead its inconsistent and skechy (commenting on Vardar as a whole not the Serb minority, even though many of them also fall into that category).
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Post by ljubotan on Feb 4, 2011 23:24:19 GMT -5
they're no better or worse than any other Slavic group in the Balkans.
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Post by ljubotan on Feb 3, 2011 12:47:48 GMT -5
My comments are just for that portion in Macedonia. My opinion on the map, from an ethnic Serb presence its accurate but from a majority population it is not.
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Post by ljubotan on Feb 3, 2011 10:40:23 GMT -5
This is a map of 'real serbia', but what I agree with on the map is the portion of Macedonia considered to be ethnic Serb. The rest is definitely pure Macedonian and/or Bulgarian.
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