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Post by ljubotan on Jun 21, 2011 10:05:09 GMT -5
Pyrros - in all honesty I know for a fact Albanians were basically segregated/discriminated in Macedonia and spit at. I'm not defending them as if they're my long lost best friends, but I'm stating the truth.
Just as Serbs were treated in Kosovo, that's how the Albanian minority was treated in Macedonia in the 70's/80's and part's of the 90's.
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Post by ljubotan on Jun 21, 2011 9:59:25 GMT -5
So did Alexsander ever live in today's geographical Macedonia, fight there or even visit there??? I highly doubt it! This is a disgrace and goes to show further how uneducated and stubborn the avg joe is in Macedonia!!!!
What Vardar was to Macedonia in ancient times is what Vardar was to the Ottoman Empire...conquered lands that had illyrian tribes that fought against his father from being occupied. If you're a 'true' Macedonian, then you're Bulgarian, Serbian and Turkish too.
The avg 60+ yr old from Macedonia (diaspora and otherwise), doesn't know shiiit about Alexsander the Great, and those same people think Kraljevic Marko had a flying horse (WTF).
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Post by ljubotan on Jun 17, 2011 9:07:52 GMT -5
while i don't agree with a lot of the Albanian mentality, I do agree that they deserve their natural rights within the country. They've live there for many decades/centuries and should not be treated as they were during Yugoslav communist times.
I think once that's resolved true harmony will be achieved, because Macedonian Albanians don't want war just want to be equals. My family has many Tetovo Albanian friends back home, so we know their ways quite well.
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Post by ljubotan on Jun 16, 2011 16:38:17 GMT -5
this is all due to a complex issue in that they truly know they're not Macedonian, but would like to set up future generations as thinking they are:(
sad and pathetic to say the least. while the folks of macedonia are very hospitable and low key, they are the most backward and low IQ Slavs of the balkans!!!!! OVA JE SRAMOTA BRE!
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Post by ljubotan on Jun 10, 2011 9:07:20 GMT -5
Brate - jedno prasanje, dali ti mislis deka imas veza sa Aleksandar Veliki??
Ne secam da Skopje ikad bilo u anticki Makedonskom granice!! I, ako je zaista bilo, onda je pod pritisak! Paeonci, Dardanci etc se borili protiv Filip, al ne uspeli. Znaci danasni Vardarske granice bile pod okupatcija Makedonskog carstvo...e, to je to.
Ako si Makedonac na toj fakti, onda si Turcin, Bugarin i Srbin; sve su drzale Vardar u posledno 1000god. Izvini, ali nema nikakvi Makedonci, samo Vardarinci, Srbi i Bugari...tacka!
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Post by ljubotan on Jun 7, 2011 23:42:31 GMT -5
Okay no problem, take the land and be rightfully called 'Vardarci'. Brate, nema anticki Makedonci u Makedonija. Sto ste prosti da mislite toa a cel svet da vi se smejev. Moji sa od Tetovo (Sar Planina), i nema veza sto zborim Makedonski dijalekt, al nikad bi rekal da sam Makedonac! Deka je obraz na narod tamo bre? Ne kazem da trebes da bides Srbin al Bugarin, al pak...Makedonac??.....ma ajde bre, smesno!
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Post by ljubotan on Jun 7, 2011 10:57:51 GMT -5
Calling a Serb from Macedonia who speaks Macedonian a 'Serboman', would be like calling you a wanna be 'Macedonian'. Right?? You don't speak ancient Macedonian and don't come from ancient Macedonian lands.
So if I were you I'd step off from referring to Serbs with roots from Macedonia as wannabe Serbs. I notice Macedonians do this shiit because they have a severe case of ethnic complex, hence why they HATE any Orthodox Slav from Vardar that considers himself anything but Macedonian.
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Mladic.
May 31, 2011 15:26:13 GMT -5
Post by ljubotan on May 31, 2011 15:26:13 GMT -5
Sad how TV never mentions the 3000 Serbs that were killed in and around Srebrenica (Bratunac) on Christmas Eve. Ask yourself, what would you do in a time of war when your people are being persecuted, and on top of it you hear that Oric and his men from Srebrenica massacred your family? ? Would you think rationally in that moment and just let it go, or would you take care of business in Srebrenica? I don't excuse it, but just trying to rationalize a soldiers mind in that moment. Where are all the U.S Generals to stand trial for the 1/2 million Iraqi civilians killed since 03'? Wait, it's collateral damage or better 'freedom comes at a price'. My heart goes out to all families who lost innocent children in the Bosnian War, but the stories I've heard about what was done to Bosnian Serbs, well the outcome is understandable. That is why war is bad, because we lose it and forget about God/foregiveness.
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Post by ljubotan on May 29, 2011 9:34:10 GMT -5
I'm sorry Nikola, but this quite embarrassing say the least. Only a country who has a complex about their ethnicity puts 10's and 10's of Greek Macedonian statues throughout their capital!
Very slick by the govt, the more the natives see these statues in Skopje, the more they'll become patriotic 'ancient Macedonians'. Great psychological marketing ploy:)
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Post by ljubotan on May 23, 2011 17:07:15 GMT -5
Serbs don't turn the other cheek, they get even as Albanians do as well. That's why its become a vicious circle the last 130yrs. Macedonians on the other hand, well on avg we don't do jack squat in terms of being aggressive. Yes, there was the Ljuboten incident back in 01', but overall you didn't see a mass exodus of Albanians from Tetovo. My grandparents who lived in one of the Tetovo villages were packing to vacate their village with the Red Cross's help, until the Macedonian Army came and stationed themselves there.
I'm proud of the fact that Macedonians don't have a revengful mentality. In the end that's much better for the soul instead killing a bunch of you now just because my greatgreatgrandfather Krsto was butchered by Albanians. Nothing is worth my soul going to hell for eternity, especially when your conscious mind know's right from wrong and you're aware of God's word.
Take all you want out of Macedonia, Kosovo and South Serbia...at the end those lands stay but we go!
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Post by ljubotan on May 23, 2011 10:14:07 GMT -5
Nikola - very nice to hear the upcoming 'facelift' to Tetovo; very impressive indeed. I guess Albanians there will truly have modern capital now; possibly a waste of money from the govt side as this area will become part of a federalized state and then split w/in 30yrs time.
Although Albanians from Macedonia are very much more civilized than the Kosovars, so maybe I'm wrong....
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Post by ljubotan on May 21, 2011 9:15:57 GMT -5
Your point is, and what is your interest for Tetovo?
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Post by ljubotan on May 16, 2011 14:28:15 GMT -5
Someone please help me understand something then.... My village that borders Kosovo/Prizren area, uses common daily words like; razbiram, deka, bratuchet/ka, sega (sea), etc.. Okay, I don't understand how my village who prides itself on Kosovo roots and lives on the border uses everyday words as in Bulgaria? Shouldn't a border village claiming direct Serb origins have more of a flow of Serbian grammar and words? Or, again, are the Slavs of Eastern Kosovo and Northern Macedonian some of the Torlaks that truly never identified with either ethnic group up until 100yrs ago? I'm starting to think based on a dialectal map Serbia's borders have been incorrectly stated and should actually be opposite and include half of Kosovo, Montenegro, Eastern Bosnia and Hercegovina. It doesn't add up for a bunch of villagers that live on the northern most Macedonian border with Kosovo use words as in Bulgaria, yet look where their border is and Serbia's in comparison to my village.... Is it truly maybe that the Slavs of Bulgaria, Macedonia and Souteastern Serbia were truly one and the same, but never agreed to coexist under one nation?
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Post by ljubotan on May 16, 2011 9:00:10 GMT -5
There is no truth and justice here in the U.S, it's simply put 'money buys you everything'. Croats and Albanians here in the U.S having been filling pockets in Washington DC since Tito died (1980)!!
Yes, I strongly feel if Serbs here did the same the results would have been very different in Ex Jugoslavija, but Serbs played a hardheaded game with the Chief Master and got spanked. Forget about right/wrong, bottom line they didn't play a good political game at all (or even tried to).
You don't think if Serbs filled the pockets of Senators back in the 80's, it wouldn't have helped?
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Post by ljubotan on May 15, 2011 7:59:12 GMT -5
I think if you have any anger it should be directed towards the Serbian diaspora, especially the one's in the U.S. Albanian and Croatian diasporas were protesting Yugoslav festivals here in the states since Tito died (bomb threats, hatred slogans etc).
Those guys had PR firms/lobby groups lined up feeding them hundreds of thousands of dollars in the eighties, and then millions in the early 90's. Serbs who are very intellectual and will find many of them working for NASA, Microsoft, Presidents/CEO's of major firms did not give $1 for their cause.
Face it, Serbs are the most disunited in that region and wish for the neighbors goats/cows dead, let alone refinance a home and send money to a central place for protecting Serbdom.
There's an old expression I heard sometime ago, 'It's easier to be the hunter than the hunted'. Don't blame the U.S, they listened to the sides that threw the most money.
It wasn't until 1999 when all Serbs woke up around here, but it was waaaaaaay toooooo late! One Senator told a Serb diasporian in DC, 'where are all the Serbs on Capital Hill, this place is flooded with Albanians'.
CCCC = Needed Because We Were Never United!
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Post by ljubotan on May 10, 2011 13:21:17 GMT -5
The MK govt needs to make compromises...bottom line. I'd say fine, keep the name 'Republic of Macedonia', but the offical languages need to be named 'Vardarski' and 'Siptarski'. This should calm both MK's, Greeks and even Albanians. Albanians will only grow, and not having their language recognized as an official language next to 'Vardarski' is realistically absurd. They are real people that physically live there and number nearly 750k, next to 1.2MM Slavs (the difference of about 500K, that the Albanians will make up in 40yrs time).
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Post by ljubotan on May 5, 2011 16:51:34 GMT -5
If I've ever hated in the past something or someone, I hate no more. I've worked on my bitterness/resentments from the past so that I don't reach a level of hate, that would consequently seperate me from the Kingdom of God. I can only hope and have faith that I will be present with the Lord when I depart this earth. Surely I don't wish to be where Osama is more than likely now.
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Post by ljubotan on May 4, 2011 17:01:39 GMT -5
That was spot on Ivo! Correct, my writings are based on experience and persception; albeit, I've had some harsh words on here (mainly venting from a bad experience-over w/ that).
A bre, nemojte vise da se karate (svadjate)! Sedite na topik, a ne levo i desno u napade samo! Dosta puto kucate mlogo dobri informacija ovde, ali ipak vecinom puta citam i pre vise gluposti.
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Post by ljubotan on May 3, 2011 12:06:27 GMT -5
this serbian/greek friendship is so over rated and pathetic. it sounds so gay when i hear serbians talking so highly about greeks...its literally azz licking talk. How are they so brother like? When I see Greeks, I think of them as nothing but Turkish like peps (sorry, you guys look identical). What the Greeks did to the Slavs of Aegean etc, that was bad taste; all infront of mother army Serbia. Goes to show that Serbia never considered those people Serbs or worthy, yet the were Slavic Orthodox brothers and allowed atrocities and genocide to take place there with brother Greeks. That ain't cool!!
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Post by ljubotan on Apr 13, 2011 14:59:10 GMT -5
You guys are my one stop source for information. I don't go through the web trying to weed out specific info to counter someone's point of view here.
Therefore, yes, many of my comments are emotional or rather based on personal experience with Macedonians/Serbs from my local region (NW). Correct, I could never understand folks from Strumica and even Stip. I recall having flown back on a plane and this chick from Stip was next to me. Man, I didn't understand a lick of what she was saying. Actually I told her to start speaking English.
Will never read on VMRO etc because I'm well aware of their hatred towards Serbs, and regardless of my ethnic identity crisis I'm very pro Serb as my grandfather and greatgrandfather wore Serbian traditional hats and sang Serbian songs originating from Kosovo.
One thing I can tell you from my experience is our area did not speak 'old Macedonian' like in Strumica, prior to the Serbian conquest. I only claim a portion of Macedonians as Serbs and a portion of NW Mak as rightfully Serbian. The language however is different enough from both nations that its suits the independence of the country just the name is totally of the mark (even regionally speaking - that would be up to bitola and that's it).
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