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Post by ljubotan on May 25, 2012 15:17:52 GMT -5
this is fkd up. i bet none of these historical figures even stepped in Skopje 2500yrs ago. There's a lot of poor people in the country they could have helped with the money that's gone towards stupid/senseless statues.
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Post by ljubotan on May 10, 2012 12:46:21 GMT -5
I had made that comment about Macedonians. As my family is from there and I've been around Serbs from other regions and even Albanians from Montenegro, and there is a big difference. Even the albanians from macedonia are much 'calmer' and 'understanding' than their brethren in other regions. Macedonian slavs are more similar to Bulgarians when it comes to temperment and demeanor. Serbs outside of Macedonia are stronger minded, warrior like, stubborn, spiteful, leaders, arrogant etc. These are traits that no Macedonian Slav or Macedonian Serb on higher than avg carries. They're almost 2 distinct peoples.
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Post by ljubotan on May 3, 2012 16:19:46 GMT -5
seems like some muslim slavs and albanians, but i don't think they did it in the name of 'greater albania'; i think they're just islamic radicals. as bad as albanians can be, you never hear of macedonian albanians going out and killing in point blank range macedonian slavs.
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Post by ljubotan on Apr 19, 2012 13:42:12 GMT -5
i agree, both are used as a means of domination ownership. Yet, these religious buildings are rarely attended for worship.
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Post by ljubotan on Apr 19, 2012 9:28:45 GMT -5
Do you guys really think the west is going to award you NW Mak too? I think at the end of the day you guys have all the rights you want, its just about unification and the west won't go past Kosovo.
You guys talk smack when your in majority in confined locations, otherwise, you shut up like your cousins in Tuzi, CG. I know plenty of Malisori back in Detroit, and they don't even think of Mak Albo's as their own....why is that? Is the dialect/local customs that different?
Only Albanians you may know from Montenegro are some slavophone cunts. True Malesors are a different breed.
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Post by ljubotan on Apr 18, 2012 17:00:11 GMT -5
This should be no secret whatsoever! It's been engrained in every Albanians heart since 1878 (regardless of their religion or dialect). Much respect I give to them, because they stick together and that's that. We Slavs barely get along with a blood brother let alone with Serbs, Bosnians, Bulgarians etc. We wish the very worst towards each other (I'm truly not that way). Albanians are like Jews, keep it in the family.
I don't agree with their eye for an eye about the smallest thing, but at the end it will achieve their goal of a unified Albanian nation. They don't care if it happens tomorrow or 100yrs from now, they just know they won't stop until it happens.
It's real simple, unity, loyality and multiply..the rest is bullsht.
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Post by ljubotan on Apr 13, 2012 10:59:59 GMT -5
Forgive me speaking this way on Great Friday, but it's just speaking the inevitable.
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Post by ljubotan on Apr 13, 2012 10:00:14 GMT -5
Look's like a war is in the horizon: www.b92.net/eng/news/region-article.php?yyyy=2012&mm=04&dd=13&nav_id=79755Presumably Albanians did this. Why pick on kids fishing is beyond me! Your guys is only peace is expansion for greater albania, and nothing short of it. I would rather then both sides duke it out in an all out war, and finalize things once and for all. Albanians don't want anything else, but cleansing, therefore, the Slavs need to stand up and defend/fight.
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Post by ljubotan on Feb 28, 2012 16:40:57 GMT -5
any males names ending with a 'cho' 'che' at the end is Bulgarian/Macedonian related. Something like 'Mirche', Ljupcho', 'Vancho', 'Dancho' etc. Those endings are none existent in Serbia and westwards.
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Post by ljubotan on Feb 28, 2012 13:43:48 GMT -5
He's definitely Bulgarian! His head is bigger than his body, he's short, he's got those slanted eyes and the round face.
While I agree that Serbia has indirectly recognized Kosovo, this guy is just an aZZ. He'd sell his mother for a bag of flour.
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Post by ljubotan on Jan 27, 2012 14:36:58 GMT -5
I would say no. I was born in the states, and the diaspora here was not affected by the Macedonian propaganda of the 90's. Sadly, I've heard that many folks that used celebrate Slave no longer do so. That celebration is dying off with the old generation, and their sons/daughters there today view it as a Serbian custom and want nothing with it. Basically, folks have been fully ingrained that they're Macedonians.
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Post by ljubotan on Jan 27, 2012 11:28:49 GMT -5
This is so fk'd up man!!! THEY ARE NOT MACEDONIANS!!!!!!!!!!! I truly wish I could take my village and lift it out of that country. They do a lot of hard talking for a name, but when Albanians come with guns they go hiding.
One thing is true they aren't Serbs or Bulgarians, because neither of those people go running; instead, they have stand up and fight for their dignity.
This is just embarrassing, no wonder when people ask me where I"m from I just reply 'Serbia'.
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Post by ljubotan on Jan 19, 2012 14:28:47 GMT -5
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriarch_of_SerbiaLook at lines 23 & 25 and notice the year and place of births. Scroll up to the top and see the guys who are born in Trnovo, BG. Why were they head of the Patriarch of Serbia and not Ohrid (which was still functioning during those years)?
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Post by ljubotan on Jan 18, 2012 11:51:51 GMT -5
Sadly propaganda and racism against Serbs by the MK govt has led many not to have kucne slave. By the way, many many many folks in MK have kucne slave and many more in the past as well. Unfortunately, there's no back bone there and a lot of these stupid young Macedonians jumped on that wagon and craped on their Serb forefathers.
When warranted you don't do squat! Instead you higher Serb/Ukraine pilots and Serb fighters. Okay, I give credit to some of the Lions out of Bitolja.
A disgraceful name to say the least. There is nothing Macedonian in the current Macedonian borders. If anything the Paeonians and Dardanians fought against the expanding Macedonian empire...they got absorbed into the kingdom.
Sramotna rabota
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Post by ljubotan on Jan 17, 2012 22:56:05 GMT -5
Most tetovcani if not all are pro serb, like ur zit. We r from a village called Vratnica, very pro serb and the diaspora in detroit built a serbian church.
Novi, i dont know how the cases were lost, but they werent present i the 17cent. I think thats one of the biggest mysteries. u have a point about srbinovo etc. i never heard of bugarinovo etc. i think that if serbians were not so negative towards macedonians wth jokes etc, they would have had better results. Sadly now even in tetovo u have people that dont celebrate a house slava anymore. They say that was a serbian thing, and macedonians dont celebrate one. The govt there did a great job in hyping n pushing the name on folks. The name is embarrassing n ridiculous!! Macedonians r soft, humble n gracious people, but they would never fight to the end like bosnian serb, montenegrin or albanian. I hate to admit it but thats the trait on avg.
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Post by ljubotan on Jan 17, 2012 12:10:30 GMT -5
The Slavs in NW Macedonia I would say never truly had a strong ethnic conscious ever, but have always maintained a strong cultural ties with Serbian/Serbdom.
Historically I don't believe these Slavs fully united emotionally to be apart of the 2 Bulgarian Empires, and the one most recently that ruled over them was Serbian (14th cen).
Our speech has predominately Serbian words with Macedonian grammar, however, as I've stated here before, we have common daily words that are the same as Bulgarians (razbiram, deka, sega, ubavo/ubao, sakam, astal (table), masa (table) etc). How those words got into our vocabulary, while the folks have always been closer to Serbian....I don't know. One thing is for sure, the speech is the same as it was pre Balkan Wars and Bulgarian Exachuriate.
The question to really ask and investigate is, since most of NW Macedonia inhabitants trace their roots out of Eastern Kosovo, what are the roots of eastern Kosovo Serbs?? The speech of an old person from Strpce is basically Macedonian, and he would never be considered a Serb say by a someone in Bosnia etc.
It's factual that Bulgarians held Kosovo for 150yrs back in the 10th cent, and they built many churches while there and Prizren was a cultural center of sorts for them. Did they migrate Slavs out of Vardar/Bulgaria into Kosovo? I don't know, but what's for sure is the Torlak areas always swayed to whomever had control over them.
It will be interesting to see Macedonia's new census if they truly ever take one. If there were not fear etc and an open democracy there, you'd see census figures for Serbs around 150,000.
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Post by ljubotan on Jan 16, 2012 13:47:10 GMT -5
The German map Ulf provided above is pretty close to 100% accurate. Being from Sar Planina (& roots out of Urosevac), I can firmly say that Serbian traditions are upheld to this in the NW. Sadly, most say they're Macedonians.
When I asked my mom not long ago, how are the villagers when she visits. She states, they're all for Serbia, however, they say their Macedonian because 1) lose their jobs 2) will have issues with the dominant Albanian population.
Therefore, when you take that in consideration and add the vast majority now speak a Macedonian dialect and the Slavs of Macedonia are Orthodox, it's easy for someone to just say they're MK instead of Serb. I guarentee you, if Croatia was an Orthodox country the Serbs from Krajina would have all marked 'Croat' in the census. Same thing in MK, if the overwhelming Slavic population there were Catholic, all those folks in the NW part would say their 'Serb'!!
I believe after the first Balkan War, the Serbian govnerment only wanted the NW part of MK, but the Bulgarians wanted it all. Serbians never considered Vardar Serbian exclusively, only the NW half.
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Post by ljubotan on Jan 9, 2012 13:30:29 GMT -5
I think it's fine, but I'd like to see Chento as a moderator on the Ilirida forum. We'll take 1 Albanian and you guys take one Macedonian.
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Post by ljubotan on Jan 3, 2012 15:33:23 GMT -5
As far as I know, the majority of Slavs in the NW part of the country (Tetovo, Gostivar, Skopska Crna Gora, Kumanovo, Debar), all celebrate a kucna/house Slava like Serbians. The seoska/selska/village Slava is generally celebrated by most of the country.
Our kucna/house Slava is St Petka, and I'm told it goes way back. Nothing that was forced into our family 100-150yrs ago by the Serbian church or government etc.
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Post by ljubotan on Aug 19, 2011 14:00:34 GMT -5
recently met a Macedonian female here in Chicago from Strumica, and all I can say is they're dialect is Bulgarian. Even she admits it but says she's Macedonian. It was 'forbiden' to imply she was Bulgarian.
As far as appearence, she was blonde and 5'10, which is clearly more of a Serb trait; however, her features were very Macedonian....round face, no high cheek bones and a bigger nose with a bump on the bridge...traits western Serbs do not have. Mak could have been a mixing ground where Serbs mixed with the undefined ethnic Slavs in the north and Bulgarians did the same with the eastern and southeastern Slavs of Macedonia.
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