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Post by hellboy87 on Apr 20, 2010 12:38:22 GMT -5
Another point you don't get is, for 500 years the Ottomans ruled many nations therefore absorbing a lot of cultural aspects into its own culture such as Armenian Greek Arabic and balkan cultures, these cultures intertwined with a Turkish style and probably with each other, add the Central asian Turkish concept and you have the culture of Turkey. I've said,that Turkish culture is largely a composite of a number of other cultures. I did not say there is no Turkic aspect,there is.But majority of it is not. And that it is no suprise,a lot of it comes from the land of Anatolia,since thats where the Empire sprang up.And that that is where the mixing and the Turkification process was the strongest.So no suprise for the incorporation there. If what was adoped from the Persians,the Persians got from someone else,well,that's not the point.The point I am making is,that it is not Turkic.
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Post by hellboy87 on Apr 20, 2010 12:25:25 GMT -5
"The word kofta is derived from Persian kūfta: In Persian, کوفتن (kuftan) means "to beat" or "to grind" or meatball.[3] So we changed how the persians made Kofte and made our own TURKISH kofte.. but the Greeks also use it with the Turkish style of name hmmm"
Yes,but fact is,its of Persian origin.
It's just like how the Malay language adopted the word hospital from English but modified to be pronounced hospiTAL while the original one is hospiTEL
Probably all groups who have adopted aspects of another groups' culture has modified it over time.
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Post by hellboy87 on Apr 20, 2010 12:11:05 GMT -5
I do remember reading that the Turkics used to drink horse milk..........
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Post by hellboy87 on Apr 20, 2010 12:05:14 GMT -5
Likewise,you do same,to an extent.
The difference between me and you is that you have tasted it first hand many times.I've acquired it by reading largely.
Ever wonder why the only ones who agree with Turks are Turks? oh wait! They'll probably repeat the 'the only friend of a Turks is a Turk" thing.
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Post by hellboy87 on Apr 20, 2010 12:01:37 GMT -5
I SAID cirit IS Turkic.
Carpets->Native American? Oh god! You're not one of those suggesting they are.........
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Post by hellboy87 on Apr 20, 2010 12:00:07 GMT -5
the BNP cannot even consider going near stoke newington, dalston or Harringey they would be murdered withn a minute. The BNP can only swear and shout, but the Turks will shoot em dead another reason why they are right
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Post by hellboy87 on Apr 20, 2010 11:58:00 GMT -5
I'm pointing out things that are passed out as Turkish Turkish.
Belly dancing is often called a Turkish thing.Thats why I pointed that out.The Turkish food is similar to LEVANTINE food,Greek food and even Iranian.
Sure,you say because Turks ruled them.But as I've said,Turkics were mostly ADOPTERS of culture.I doubt it they influenced them.
What part of Turkish carpets? The "Turkish carpet" itself.That came from the Persians originally.Not Turkics.
I guess from the Ottomans,the famous leftover is the Fez hat.And that is said to be of Maghrebi origin.
To someone thinking objectively,it shouldnt be a suprise that Turkish culture is a mish mash.
You seem to me to be manisfesting your complexes.
I dont really see much of a reason for Anatolian Turks to have complexes about it.I mean,it is all the cultures of their ancestors and of the land.
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Post by hellboy87 on Apr 20, 2010 11:41:44 GMT -5
I hope they're not citizens of the UK,if they're,me is calling the BNP!
LOL!
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Post by hellboy87 on Apr 20, 2010 11:30:42 GMT -5
hmmm...Where should I begin? I've already mentioned the carpets.I've had a post on the origins of coffee.I've read about Greeks stopping Turks from calling their food Turkish at some university culture event in the US.I was told by a Turkish lady that Turkish food is the same as Lebanese food.I've heard about the belly dance as coming from the Gypsies.The architecture Ottoman mosques are from Christian Greco-Armenian ones.Those dances are Grecian.....
This shouldnt come as a suprise since most Turks are of Anatolian stock and when the Turkics took over,there was a large number of Greeks and Armenians in Anatolia.Combine those with the Perso-Arabicness of the Turkics,you get the Ottoman/Turkish culture today.
Oh! I think cirit is Turkic.I'm not so sure about the oil wreslting though.I think that is from Iran.I remembered reading about it in the papers.
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Post by hellboy87 on Apr 20, 2010 11:16:11 GMT -5
I meant not Turkic.
Most
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Post by hellboy87 on Apr 20, 2010 10:57:06 GMT -5
yeap! The southwest USA!
But still,I find America bowing down too much to them.Hopefully its just in areas where Anglo-America stole from Mexico.
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Post by hellboy87 on Apr 20, 2010 10:54:20 GMT -5
I did not say that.Again,I said Turkish culture is a particular mix.That particular mix is what we now call Turkish.
But the Turkics,they did not have MUCH culture of their own.Like I've said,they're mostly adopters of other peoples' cultures.So the Turkic element of the Turkish culture is small.
And yes,every culture is mixed.Hell,cultures of Nusantaran southeast Asian peoples have lots of Indian culture in it.Our curry is adopted from the Indians for example.
The culture that the Seljuks brought over had lots of Persian stuff.
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Post by hellboy87 on Apr 20, 2010 10:47:12 GMT -5
Flood of information,hmmmmm.............
That depends though.Children,no,PEOPLE now have access to ALL information about the world today.
Is your concern about the information on SOME things? Like sex? Is your concern also about how this access to all information will or may undermine parental authority? Because all the access to all information will enable them to circumvent prohibitions by parents,or that because they may get smarter than parents?
As for the excessiveness of porn desensitizing you,well,I'm not desensitized by it though.But I guess people will get used to it and that it will not cause problems or so much problems to society.And they will know how to handle it.
Still not so sure yet though.
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Post by hellboy87 on Apr 20, 2010 10:35:50 GMT -5
He has a nice eye colour,Nikola
I thought he's Greek.If not,from the former Yugoslavia countries
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Post by hellboy87 on Apr 20, 2010 10:27:40 GMT -5
No it did not.
It was talking about THE PEOPLE.The ANCESTRY.
Much of the culture of the Turkics that came to Anatolia was Persian+Arab.That's where the so-called "Turkish" carpet came from.
They(Greeks) dont have a high percentage.They just have a percentage.God knows how did that happen.Some sub-saharan Africans must have made their way back to Greece and had kids with the locals.
And I did say it resulted in one culture.I said "Turkish" culture is a composite of many cultures.
The Turkics,did not come up with much stuff on their own.They're mostly adopters of other cultures.Shouldnt be any suprise why Turkics were called barbarians by others.The ancient Chinese called them 'uncooked barbarians'.
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Post by hellboy87 on Apr 20, 2010 10:04:45 GMT -5
I have seen the old goodness gracious me.
The "Indian arrogant" thing,it seems familiar.There is this distinctiveness in their arrogance.Cant really explain it.
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Post by hellboy87 on Apr 20, 2010 9:56:51 GMT -5
That is what the studies have been saying all along that the ethnic Turks of Anatolia are indigenous,whose ancestors many generations ago went through a cultural assimilation as a result of centuries Turkic rule.
That is pretty much the same reason how North Africa became "Arab" and how the South Slavs became "Slavic".
But the ethnic Turks of Anatolia,have a lot more cultural mix than those in Central Asia with the addition of the Greco-Armenian and other Anatolian elements.
"Turkish" culture,is a mish mash of cultures.Quite removed from those in Central Asia.
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Post by hellboy87 on Apr 20, 2010 9:18:21 GMT -5
Whatever it is,the one in wiki is taken from sites which shows the results of the work of geneticists.
If I'm not mistaken,ethnic groups have their own genetic markers.So it can be possible to tell.
The determinants here,are the indigenous people of the land:CA,West Asia,Europe.
And also,what we do know is,that people did not identify themselves as "Turk" during the Ottoman Empire.Even more so in Ottoman Anatolia.
Even the famous geneticist Spencer Wells said the same thing regarding the people of Turkey,that they're mostly non-Turkic descent.
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Post by hellboy87 on Apr 20, 2010 8:01:36 GMT -5
The 1 million Turkic migration figure is from a Turkish propoganda site.
There are no exact figures on how many Turkics migrated to Anatolia.I have seen several sources in the past that said the highest number is a six figure one.
Intresting updates though on the genes of Turks.
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Post by hellboy87 on Apr 20, 2010 7:41:35 GMT -5
How is someone complexed because they're educated? It's usually the opposite. And what slave mentality?
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