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Post by yeni on Nov 17, 2007 13:45:27 GMT -5
3:0
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Post by yeni on Nov 17, 2007 12:23:24 GMT -5
i have no predictions...
sht now 2:0
ok i think we will be humilated
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Post by yeni on Nov 17, 2007 12:14:36 GMT -5
Moldova scored now 1:0
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Post by yeni on Nov 17, 2007 13:28:19 GMT -5
what different language? show me any text in "Székely" language. Not only i tell you that the Szekelys are Hungarian, but also the Romanian census. The origin of the Szekelys is a totally different issue, it isn't known who were they originally (1000 years ago+), if they were a group of Hungarians who arrived earlier to the Carpathian basin, or remains of Huns or Bulgars or Avars or related to the Eskils or simply Hungarian border guards. but now they are Magyars and they always spoke Hungarian in their known history. yes and they wrote Hungarian texts with that runic type of writing. www.omniglot.com/writing/hungarian_runes.htmHungarian Runes Origin Hungarian runes (Székely Rovásírás) are are thought to have descended from the Turkic script (Kök Turki) used in Central Asia, though some scholars believe the Hungarian runes pre-date the Turkic script. They were used by the Székler Magyars in Hungary before István, the first Christian king of Hungary, ordered all pre-Christian writings to be destroyed. In remote parts of Transylvania however, the runes were still used up until the 1850s.
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Post by yeni on Nov 17, 2007 12:11:22 GMT -5
Yenni, you that one is another very important difference between you. que? what different religion the Szekelys have? you didn't answer my question. In Hungary most Hungarians are roman catholic or calvinist, the same is in Székelyföld. So what difference? by the way, we are not South Slavs, so religion do not determine ethnicity.
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Post by yeni on Nov 17, 2007 9:33:19 GMT -5
what other religion? The roman catholic or the calvinist/reformed protestant religion? both are very common among Hungarians outside Székelyföld too.
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Post by yeni on Nov 17, 2007 5:31:43 GMT -5
a) but in the Romanian censuses they declared themselves Magyar. You can bet, we will see next census in 2012 but until then you have to accept that they are Magyar. b)so can you show me Szekely language texts? not so long ago Romanians used Cyrillic script, actually Moldovans still use it, is it a different language and different ethnicity? c) yeah but you know the name of the other Hungarian political formation? Magyar Polgári Szövetség/ Hungarian Civic Alliance www.polgariszovetseg.ro/hun.htm So they also consider themself Magyar, sorry. d)Actually that part i quoted is in Romanian, you don't understand what is written there? Secuimea, populaþia autohtonã cu identitate naþionalã maghiarã
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Post by yeni on Nov 16, 2007 18:00:55 GMT -5
a) in all the Romanian censuses they declared themself Magyar b) they speak Hungarian and there is no proof for that they ever spoke a different language in the past c) in all the Romanian elections they voted for the Hungarian party d) see the homepage of the Szekely National Council www.sznt.ro/EXPUNERE DE MOTIVE Secuimea, populaþia autohtonã cu identitate naþionalã maghiarã, majoritarã în Þinutul Secuiesc, revendicã autonomia teritorialã a acestei regiuni în conformitate cu prevederile documentelor internaþionale ºi cu practica în acest domeniu din statele Uniunii Europene.
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Post by yeni on Nov 15, 2007 12:39:00 GMT -5
Ok i see its time for martial law and to ethnically cleanse the 'magyarisztani ppl', as WBB and super boni man are constantly ruining the Hun forum, i will close and transfer every new topic about them and made by them and automatically delete every new post of WBB where the words 'islam', 'muslim', 'Allah', or 'magyarisztani' are included. wbb there is a subforum for islamic world and another for religion and i recommend you to ask Aadmin to give you a special forum similar to Bonnies dominion where you can post your fantasy stuff. If you don't like it, you can complain to Aadmin or the Amnesty International.
Köszi, multumesc, shukran, teºekkürler.
This topic is locked and will be transferred in a few days.
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Post by yeni on Nov 8, 2007 18:34:02 GMT -5
haha i know many Turks and Arabs here but nobody talk in wbb's pidgin language. i'm sure only one person speak it in the whole world...
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Post by yeni on Oct 29, 2007 10:16:17 GMT -5
That was filmed in Budapest. Every year there is a billboard exhibition (called ARC exhibition) in the city, this Cigány poster was also made for that
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Post by yeni on Oct 23, 2007 6:40:07 GMT -5
The Székely/Szekler/Secui are either roman catholics or calvinist protestants, they don't have different religion. ioan, don't listen to bonie superman. The traditional Székely land is in the Maros-Hargita-Kovászna counties. see: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sz%C3%A9kely_LandIn Maros/Mures county majority of the Magyars are protestant, in Hargita/Harghita county overwhelming majority roman catholic in Kovászna/Covasna county slightly more roman catholics than protestant (can find u the exact numbers from the 2002 census if u want). Majority of Transylvania is Romanian, two counties have Hungarian majority today, Hargita/Harghita and Kovászna/Covasna and there are other places too with significant Hungarian population. here is a map based on the 2002 Romanian census, Hungarians in Romania www.hhrf.org/htmh/021_terkepek/text027/doc_upload/roman1.jpgMagyarok többségben= Hungarian majority (more than 50%) Magyarok kisebbségben= Hungarian minority (between 10-50%)
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Post by yeni on Oct 21, 2007 12:41:51 GMT -5
In the 16th century protestantism was very successful due to the moral crisis of the catholic church (there was no much difference between the pope and other renaissance rulers in Italy) and many Hungarians studied in German territories where they met with Luther's and Calvin's teachings. btw not only Hungary but there were many protestants in todays very catholic Poland.
But later the catholic counter-reformation came and both with peaceful methods (progressive reforms within the catholic church, debates with protestants) and in Habsburg territories sometimes violence (imprisonment of protestant religious figures and so) they converted back the ppl. Violence against the protestants was used only in the Habsburg territories. Thats why in those places which were under Ottoman rule or under the semi-independent Transylvania in the 17th century you can still find many protestants (in Hungary now around 20 percent are protestant, in Transylvania around 50% of the Magyars are protestant).
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Post by yeni on Oct 21, 2007 9:53:11 GMT -5
Hi ioan, i agree with oszkar in most thing he wrote. I'm sure our ancestors mixed with old Bulgars, all Hungarian historians agree with that the proto-Bulgars influenced us. very few texts were written in Hungarian during the middle ages (the first known text written in Hungarian is the Funeral oration and prayer from the late 12th century). I think the reason why our language could survive is that the majority of the ppl spoke it Well indirectly catholicism had positive effects, without catholics we wouldn't have protestantism, (in the 16th century the majority of the population became protestant and most were converted back to catholic religion in the next century) and protestantism had positive influences, like the first Bible translations, written religious debates in Hungarian and so, this was the time when the modern literary language started to form. but i think protestantism had the same effect everywhere in Europe where it appeared. Slavs, Avars, probably remains of other migratory ppl (like germanic Gepids and so) and who knows what else. And sure we assimilated a part of them as we did with many later immigrants to the Carpathian basin. About later immigrants, we also have a small Bulgarian minority too who came here mostly in the 19th and early 20th century, www.bolgarok.hu/index.php?id=224&L=1
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Post by yeni on Oct 25, 2007 11:27:49 GMT -5
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Post by yeni on Oct 25, 2007 11:10:54 GMT -5
in most secular places (or at least in Hungary but i guess its the same in most countries) the state do not recognize religious marriage, only civil marriage. So if you only marry in a catholic church, from the perspective of the state you are not married, you also need civil marriage if you want it to be recognized. if you have one, two or more wife according to islamic (or other religion) marriage but only one civil marriage then it does not violate any law (like it isn't illegal according to the civil law to have a wife and also have a lover ). What is crime (and also illegal in Hungary) is to have more than one civil marriage in the same time. But the whole issue is 1. off-topic, 2. i don't know any muslims in Hungary who have more than one wife (either civil or religious law), and polygamy is not too common in islamic countries either, even where the state allow it as far as i know you need special permission from court or religious authority for the second marriage. At least i heard this is the situation in Malaysia, Syria, Iran
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Post by yeni on Oct 23, 2007 12:41:28 GMT -5
yeni i thought Cigany wants territorial autonomy in Hungary or they dont want it now? what's going on with that one? When did they want it?? where did you hear this? show me a news link.
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Post by yeni on Oct 23, 2007 11:45:57 GMT -5
when they ask. but i haven't heared about any of the 13 recognized minorities in Hungary wanting territorial autonomy.
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Post by yeni on Dec 19, 2007 14:23:43 GMT -5
I don't think there is any pure Hungarian, there are areas where more Hun-Slavic mix occured, other areas where more Hun-German mix other where Hun-Cuman and so but Budapest is the biggest melting pot in Hungary, ppl migrated here from almost every corner of the old country during the centuries. Magyar, German, Croat, Cuman, Czech ancestors are certain in my familytree, most were roman catholics and a few calvinists.
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Post by yeni on Dec 19, 2007 12:20:56 GMT -5
I can`t understand how you people can trace so many ancestries. I traced my family tree to 1700 and something and they all come from two regions that I marked with pink on that map of the Carpathian mountains. And they were all Christian Romanian speaking people. Diur as i see your ancestors lived in montainous areas, i guess in small isolated villages. if they lived in cities they could meet with different ppl and mix with them. Also if your ancestors were greek orthodox or greek catholic (i guess) its not likely they mixed too much with Saxons (mostly Lutherans) or Huns (mostly roman catholic or calvinist) because until the 19th century (at least) it was not too accepted in the society there to marry to somebody from other christian sect. Only Serbs were nearby who were also orthodox and maybe a few greek catholic among them. I guess desire's and Janissary's ancestors of different ethnicities met with each other in bigger cities or there were muhajir (muslim refugees) settlements nearby and there was no religious barrier between them. but i dont know. I have ancestors from at least 5 different ethnicities, I'm a true Budapesti
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