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Post by oszkarthehun on Feb 14, 2013 2:11:47 GMT -5
Romania threatens expulsion of Hungarian ambassador as conflict over Székelyföld escalates dramatically
Romanian Foreign Minister Titus Corlatean has accused Hungarian Ambassador Oszkar Fuzes of contravening diplomatic norms. He may be expelled from Romania unless he “stays within the scope of his authority,” he said. Speaking on Romanian television on Wednesday night, Corlatean condemned the ambassador for voicing support for autonomy for Szekler Land. Earlier on Wednesday, the Romanian government sharply rejected remarks by Hungarian State Secretary Zsolt Nemeth, who had called on Romania to drop a ban on the use of Szekler symbols and put an end to “symbolic aggression”. The Romanian Foreign Ministry summoned Fuzes, who had made his remarks in a television interview. A subsequent statement called Nemeth’s “intervention” unacceptable. In response, the Hungarian Foreign Ministry said “it is up to Romania” to resolve the issue. Romanian PM: No “lessons”Earlier on Wednesday, Romanian Prime Minister Victor Ponta said his country will not tolerate “lessons” from anyone on how to apply its laws. Ponta was speaking in reaction to Zsolt Nemeth, state secretary at the Hungarian foreign ministry, calling on Romania to stop a ban on the use of Szekler flags on office buildings. Ponta said Romania was applying the highest European standards in the representation of minorities and in local autonomy. The Romanian Foreign Ministry said in a statement sent to MTI that Nemeth’s statement was unacceptable and was in contrast with the strategic partnership that existed between Hungary and Romania, as well as with the spirit of good neighbourly relations. Bogdan Aurescu, the foreign affairs state secretary, said in the statement that Romania would not accept such “regrettable interventions” that violate Romania’s constitutional and legal framework. Nemeth on Tuesday called on Hungarian local councils to show support to Romania’s Hungarian-populated Szekler Land over the flag issue and said he firmly expected Romania to stop this “symbolic aggression.” Government commissioners in Covasna (Kovaszna) and Harghita (Hargita) counties in central Romania have banned the hoisting of the Szekler flag on office buildings. The Hungarian Foreign Ministry said on Wednesday afternoon that the solution concerning the issue of the ban on minority symbols was “in the hands” of Romania. The ethnic community has the right to use its symbols and Hungary therefore supports the use of the Szekler flag, the ministry said in a statement. The Hungarian position was presented by Hungary’s ambassador to Romania in Bucharest’s Foreign Ministry where Oszkar Fuzes stressed that it was in line with previous practices as well as with Romanian and EU laws. Speaking on Wednesday evening Nemeth suggested the Romanian prime minister could have “misunderstood something” before he said that Romania would not tolerate “lessons” from anyone in connection with the issue of the Szekler flag’s use. “What laws do not ban is permitted in Europe. There is no law banning the Szekler flag’s use in Romania. In this context European norms, and the norms of a state governed by laws, must be ensured, irrespective of what the premier of Romania may or may not tolerate,” Nemeth said in Gyula in south-eastern Hungary. He said the Szekler people in Romania had the right to use their own flag and expressed hope that the Romanian government would understand, and allow, that. He repeatedly voiced Hungary’s support for the Szekler people and its position that the issue had to be resolved by Romania. Hungarian FM backs up ambassadorForeign Minister Janos Martonyi said on Thursday that nothing the Hungarian ambassador to Romania had said concerning the issue of autonomy for Szekler Land “deviates from the position of the Hungarian government.” Responding to a question at an unrelated conference on the economy, Martonyi said that Hungary had maintained a clear stance concerning endeavours to ensure autonomy for Szekler Land for the last 22 years. If a community claims some form of autonomy in a democratic way, majority society must consider that claim, he said. Concerning Romania’s banning the Szekler flag from public buildings, Martonyi said that Hungary would act as a partner in resolving the situation. “No doubt, Romania is in a position to take steps; legal proceedings initiated in connection with displaying the flag in Romania should be dropped,” he said. Martonyi also said he would have talks by phone with his Romanian counterpart Titus Corlatean in the afternoon. He said the situation must be handled calmly rather than amid the atmosphere in which the Romanian media was dealing with the matter. The minister said it was very important that, “we did not start the flag-fighting.” In the past few months it has been indicated to Romania that the good relations which have been developing well, and the strategic partnership between the two countries, could be endangered, he said. Whereas a reply had often been given that there was nothing to worry about, the Romanian measures taken over the issue of the Szekler flag, “belong in the category of negative gestures”. He said a community’s right to display a symbol was today a “European minimum”.
Oszkar ...
Why is Romanian authorities being sooo intolerant of Szekely symbols/flag being displayed on office buildings in the Szekeyfold region ... what next ? it is not Hungary harming otherwise good or reasonable relations but Romania as the Hungarian minister noted ... these recent measures from Romania belong in the category of " Negative Gestures" a communitys right (and a significant ethnic minority) right to display a symbol is today a 'European Minimum'.
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Post by oszkarthehun on Jan 6, 2013 4:14:29 GMT -5
armenians are more similar to greeks, assyrians,lebanese,iranians than their cacausus neighbours in looks and culture..serbia/albania/bosnia will always be linked to southeastern culture as their middle east caucasus influences will always be far higher than their european influences...at the end of the day this is NOT a BAD thing but in my opinion a positive link..my father and his father before him used to always say iranians and serbs are very similar..personally i believe in the sarmaritan theory I dont think that armenians are that similar to greeks to use a word "similar" from my own experiences and contact with armenians, looking at their apperenace music customs and so on, they show clear differences, this may sound crazy but it is true, jerevan armenians have very much in common with populations of eastern turkey and western iranic populations, the oriental element is multiply much stronger compared to their northern neigbours which are the caucasus populations. here i took random examples: Typical armenian music, they love the duduk instrument songs, its the theme of armenian music: Now compare that to traditional caucasus musik, the beats the melody and everything is different: I have some insight about this as my wife is Armenian. The Armenians are very ancient people and hence have a very rich and colourful ethnogenesis , way back they had many influences and things in common with Iranian/Persian peoples at one time they even shared the same Zoroastrian religion with the Persians untill Armenians adopted Christianity ... Armenians were the first nation to become Christians. Armenians predate any Turkicss or Arabics or Asiatic peoples that later came to region of eastern Turkey as you mentioned but over time a range of cultural influences would come to this region. And yes Armenians do have some similarities and cross influences with Caucasian peoples too. You can find similiar music and dances amongst Armenians as with other Caucasian peoples. there is an ancient extiinct non indo european speaking people called the Urartians they are thought to have blended in with the Indo European speaking Armen people to form the early Armenians. The Urartians are also thought to have blended with some of the caucasian peoples too notably the Chechens. Here is example of Armenian dance Lezginka which you can find same and very similiar dance and music all through the Caucasus and made famous usually by the Georgians. Also the Armenian folk dance costumes especially the womens costumes are often similiar to Caucasian folk costumes. [youtube] [youtube] Armenians have for long time been a diaspora people and hence have accumulated a lot of various influences, as I see it these can be combination of... mild middle eastern/Persian, Caucasian, Byzantine/Greek, European/Russian/Slavic, they have for a long time been a western looking (meaning looking to the west) finding much in common with Christian peoples of europe more so than the Islamic nations that neighbour them. Armenians have been minorities in European countries such as Poland, Russia, Bulgaria, Italy, for at least 1000 years... several Byzantine Emperors were of Armenian origin.
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Post by oszkarthehun on Dec 22, 2012 6:40:11 GMT -5
actually they look very Caucasian as in Circassian or Georgian but generally the look and costumes is synonemous with Caucus. The modern Kabards ...(sounds like "Kabars') are a caucasian people.
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Post by oszkarthehun on Dec 19, 2012 4:54:56 GMT -5
I actually agree that Hungarians should have autonomy in Szekelyfold just because they form a majority there of over 1 million people. Science has proven that the entire European population is indigenous to Europe, being descended from the Neolithic farmers. The Magyars coming from Asia mixed with the indigenous European population. Both Hungarians and Romanians are indigenous to the lands they live on. Science has proven that there is no racial difference between them. The Hungarians must have mixed with the all the nomadic tribes- Goths, Avars, etc. that went through Transylvania, and so must have Romanians. Otherwise, science would prove that they are different races, which they are not- they look the same. Actually imo ideally Hungary and Romania and other certain neighbouring countries should strive to work more closely with each other for mutual economic , trade benefits etc. Other differences should be put aside (at least for now) to do this. European Union and the west doesnt seem to care much for nations in our region rather than be victims of the old divide and conquer games of the west it would make more sense to mutually make our region independently stronger. \Nations like Bulgaria and Hungary already looking to the east for partners...but we should also do what we can in our own region.
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Post by oszkarthehun on Dec 17, 2012 16:33:16 GMT -5
Turks are not from Mongolia. The oldest Turkic inscriptions were found in Mongolia. They are called the Orkhon inscriptions that relate the legendary origin of the Turks. they were found there in 19th century. It is generally agreed that the first Turkic people lived in a region extending from Central Asia to Siberia with the majority of them living in China historically. Historically they were palpable after the 6th Century BC.[27] The earliest separate Turkic peoples appeared on the peripheries of the late Xiongnu confederation (contemporaneous with the Chinese Han Dynasty).[28] Turkic people may be related to the Xiongnu, Dingling and Tiele people. According to the Book of Wei, the Tiele people were the remaining of the Chidi (赤狄), the red Di people competing with the Jin in the Spring and Autumn Period.[29] Turkic tribes, such as Khazars and Pechenegs, probably lived as nomads for many years before establishing the Göktürk Empire or Mongolia in the 6th century. These were herdsmen and nobles who were searching for new pastures and wealth. The first mention of Turks was in a Chinese text that mentioned trade of Turk tribes with the Sogdians along the Silk Road.[
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Post by oszkarthehun on Dec 16, 2012 22:43:56 GMT -5
The proto-Turks were still in Mongolia when the Iranian Scythians were roaming the steppes of central Asia 3000 years ago. Turks are not from Mongolia.
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Post by oszkarthehun on Dec 16, 2012 22:43:06 GMT -5
I dont agree that original Scythes were Turkic but it is written that peoples that displayed similiar culture to Scythians were also called Scythians too, imo its possible Turkics who encountered Scythians in the Steppe also became reffered to as Scythians. Turkics were an interesting folk in that they tended to go in all directions and interbreed with many peoples many times maintaining there own language and identity but their bloodlines seldomly remained pure in fact there is probably minority real Turkic blood in Turkey itself. Interestingly Cumans were physically described as being blondies not a feature generally asscociated with Turkics today. So you agreed to give your alter ego, wbb, a break? That's refreshing, for us all. Nope he is not my alter ego ... maybe he had/has an alter ego but was never me.
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Post by oszkarthehun on Dec 16, 2012 6:19:13 GMT -5
Scythians are proto-Turkic people and not iranians. Iranians are parthians. Dacians are also scythians. So finally romanians are accepting the fact that they are turkic, and not romans. I dont agree that original Scythes were Turkic but it is written that peoples that displayed similiar culture to Scythians were also called Scythians too, imo its possible Turkics who encountered Scythians in the Steppe also became reffered to as Scythians. Turkics were an interesting folk in that they tended to go in all directions and interbreed with many peoples many times maintaining there own language and identity but their bloodlines seldomly remained pure in fact there is probably minority real Turkic blood in Turkey itself. Interestingly Cumans were physically described as being blondies not a feature generally asscociated with Turkics today.
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Post by oszkarthehun on Dec 16, 2012 5:55:06 GMT -5
Eastern europe and Balkans encountering peoples from the east is something that goes way back and happened many times..Scythians...Huns, Jasyges, Penchenegs, Avars,Cumans... etc and yes many of these peoples assimilated into eastern europe...the Avars spent 200 years there before merging with the Slavs and eventually assimilating into Croats and other south Slavs. regions within todays Romania were referred to as Cumania... The Cumans were nomadic warriors of the Eurasian steppe who exerted an enduring impact on the medieval Balkans. The basic instrument of Cuman political success was military force, which none of the warring Balkan factions could resist. As a consequence, groups of the Cumans settled and mingled with the local population in various regions of the Balkans. The Cumans were the founders of three successive Bulgarian dynasties (Asenids, Terterids, and Shishmanids), and the Wallachian dynasty (Basarabids)."[4] They also played an active role in Byzantium, Hungary, and Serbia, with Cuman immigrants being integrated into each country's elite. In alliance with the Bulgarians and Vlachs[6][7] during the Vlach-Bulgar Rebellion by brothers Asen and Peter of Tarnovo, the Cumans are believed to have played a significant role in the rebellion's final victory over Byzantium and the restoration of Bulgaria's independence (1185). The Cumans were allies with Wallachia and Bulgaria emperor Kaloyan in the Bulgarian-Latin Wars.The Cumans who remained east and south of the Carpathian Mountains established a country named Cumania, in an area consisting of Moldavia and Walachia. The Hungarian kings claimed supremacy on the territory of Cumania, among the nine titles of the Hungarian kings of the Árpád and Anjou dynasties were rex Cumaniae.In addition, toponyms of Cuman language origin can be found especially in the Romanian counties of Vaslui and Galaţi, including the names of both counties.and also The latest book by Neagu Djuvara has caused a stir in Romania's academic world. In it, the 91-year-old historian maintains that the founders of Wallachia in the 13th and 14th centuries were not descendants of the Romanised Dacians, but were of Cuman origin.
"For two centuries, our historiography has been obsessed with continuity, permanence and immobility, a narrow and static vision," says the author in his book, Thocomoerius, the Black Ruler: a Voivode of Cuman Origin at the beginning of Wallachia. "What created the new Europe, the one after the Roman Empire, was an ever moving history consisting of successive migratory waves."
The Romanian voivodeships (principalities) are the indirect result of one such wave, he suggests. The Cumans, a nomadic Turkic people, migrated westwards and established a strong presence in present-day Moldavia and Wallachia. Defeated by the Mongols at the Battle of Kalka (1223), they took refuge in Hungary, while some crossed the Danube into the Balkans.
Many place names in the region -- including Kumanovo in Macedonia and Comanesti in Romania -- reflect Cuman influence. Surnames derived from the word "Cuman" include that of famed gymnast Nadia Comaneci.
In Djuvara's view, the Cuman role in Romanian history was far more important than has been acknowledged. The theory is not altogether new, but his book provides an impressive array of evidence to support it. setimes.com/cocoon/setimes/xhtml/en_GB/features/setimes/blogreview/2007/09/07/blog-03
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Post by oszkarthehun on Aug 31, 2012 18:37:05 GMT -5
Im not a Turk, Im Hungarian ... get a map Dude. Russia is great country ... how about the jailing of those punky russian chicks for making some protest. Russian Government acting like Iranian Islamic Republic Government... this by a turk ... sorry man, but you restrict my options to only one : LMAO
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Post by oszkarthehun on Aug 31, 2012 7:22:22 GMT -5
In country I reside Australia there has been several incidents of Croats and Serbs bombing each others Football clubs and plenty examples of group violence, I grew up amongst Croats and Serbs here in the 1980's knew plenty of them and the hatred was firm and intense then way before the wars in the 1990's ... but again keep dreaming man ...at least I know your statements here are full of flaws. oh yeh thats right ... I must have dreamnt the Balkan Wars, and those Serbs and Croats I grew up with in the 1980's that consistently vented their inter ethnic hate for one another I must of dreamnt that too. You have some bizarre ideas ... the Balkans aint the middle east man u got no oil down there ... yes the old divide and conquer routine has always been used across the globe throughout history ... but you cant forever blame external sources for the lack of slavic unity in the balkans and throughout the world ... overdone victim complexes make people look like big babies. sounds utopian but I dont buy it. Russia is great country ... how about the jailing of those punky russian chicks for making some protest. Russian Government acting like Iranian Islamic Republic Government... but then again always were Totalitarian Fascist Gangsters...Left or Right... thats how they roll ... just a more sophisticated version of South Central Baby ... heheheh yeh I remember look what happened. you are very ignorant and confused ... Im not Anatolian ... actually Greeks lived there not Hungarians... Im not Chinese ... i probably am more Caucasian looking than you ...Im 5 foot 11 not usually within dwarf category. You are the idiot who has no grasp of reality... you are a superficial pseudo intellectual racist with the temperant of a village Arab heheheh.
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Post by oszkarthehun on Aug 31, 2012 6:52:10 GMT -5
oh Pyross you and your conspiracy theories ... be careful man if you dont calm down with this stuff pretty soon you will be on anti psychotics hehehe. Pyross quit smoking the crack pipe before making your posts man ... gee thanks
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Post by oszkarthehun on Aug 30, 2012 4:59:45 GMT -5
oh Pyross you and your conspiracy theories ... be careful man if you dont calm down with this stuff pretty soon you will be on anti psychotics hehehe. In fact we were a recognised European Nation Kingdom before Serbia. And yes after more than 1000 years we are a very European nation (culturaly and genetically )it could be well argued we have played a part in contributing to Europe and the west at least as much as your nation if not even more. Its kind of a joke when you talk about Slavic brotherhood when most Slavs anywhere near you have had major issues with you. Normally i try be friendly with Serbs and i have a few Serb friends in real time but when i come across ignorant racist nationalistic idiots i will stand straight and shoot straight. LMAO, at every single word you wrote bro. I really cannot pick the funniest sentence from your text above. ;D PS as a side note, i really cannot believe those asian retarded dwarfs really enslaved the balkans. Maybe the whole ottoman thingy is an overplayed conspiracy ? ;D ;D ;D
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Post by oszkarthehun on Aug 30, 2012 4:50:51 GMT -5
by that rather crude and retarded logic it could be said what makes Serbia entitled to any territory it has either conquered or later occupied ? seriously man you sounded like a 16 year old with that statement. yes all you can do is "doubt" rather than "know" ... because "you dont know" because as i said you like... Pyross are an ignorant with your head kinda stuck in your own ass ... in fact Hungary has contributed plenty ... and dont be so sure about the 2nd part of your sentence either. here just some of Hungary's contributions ... Tibor Kármán was also experimenting in the air: he was an important researcher of flight at above the speed of sound and of modern rocket technology. Another Hungarian who made his mark as a basic researcher was Ányos Jedlik, who had built a dynamo before Siemens did, and who prepared plans for a sodawater producing machine. József Eötvös became world famous for a pendulum named after him, which represented a great step forward in oil exploration. János Neumann put down the basics of information technology, one of his famous conclusions being that the brain does not use the language of computers. János György Kemény asociated the BASIC language he had developed to this idea. Albert Szent-Györgyi received a Nobel-prize for the formula of hezuronic acid and for vitamin C, which has become widely available in thousands of variations ever since. When Leó Szilárd was preparing his plans for a nuclear reactor, it never crossed his mind that his creation would be used in a war one day. He sent the description of nuclear reactors to the Physical Review in 1940 and the US government bought the patent for one dollar. The rising middle class in Hungary in the early 1900s could enjoy a series of new articles for personal use. János Irinyi gave households matches that made the use of open flames much safer. Tivadar Puskás brought them closer to each other by inventing the telephone exchange and then later the telephonograph, a predecessor of the wired radio. Dezsõ Korda gave them the world receiver by inventing the rotating plate condenser which enabled continuous tuning. The tungsten lamp, also called incandescent lamp, was the result of cooperation between Sándor Just, Ferenc Hanaman and Imre Bródy, researchers of the Tungsram laboratory. Semi-automatic cameras and film-cameras were also designed by Hungarians - József Mihályi and Ödön Riszdorfer. Mihályi's Super Kodak Six 20 camera was first presented in the New York World Expo in 1939. The slide projector and the inflammable film are also Hungarian inventions. Ottó Bláthy was the inventor of the kilowatt-hour meter, or electric meter. In cooperation with other researchers, he created the first transformer. Dénes Mihály invented the predecessor of the talking film and the television, while the first colour TV used in practice was the creation of another Hungarian inventor Péter Károly Goldmark, who was also involved in developing the first microgroove record-player. And to continue the list, stereo broadcasting is another Hungarian invention. László József Bíró patented the ball-point pen , Dávid Gestetner introduced the duplicator or stencil plate, while Dénes Gábor invented holography.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Hungarian_inventionsPál Selényi (1884-1954) invented the electro graphic process which is the conceptual basis of the Xerox copying machines. Loránd Eötvös (1848-1919) was appointed to the chair of theoretical physics at Budapest University in 1872. Trough various experiences he discovered the socalled Eötvös Law (1866). The Eötvös Law was declared by Albert Einstein to be one of the pillars of his theory of relativity. For many years Eötvös studied the problem of gravity and designed the world-renown Eötvös Torsion Balance (pendulum) which measured the minute changes of gravity and determined the distribution of masses in the earth’s crust. The use of the Eötvös Torsion Balance has been a landmark in geological research and prospecting and was instrumental in the discovery of oil fields in Texas, Venezuela, the Zala oil fields in Hungary and elsewhere. www.hungarians.org.au/textpages/english/CWA%20lecture%2010%20pages.pdfthe above are just some of long list of inventions I havn't mentioned the many many Noble Prize winners or touched on the contributions to arts and culture...music and cinematogrophy etc, not to mention Hungarys consistent performance in Olympic games. It sounds like a nice romantic daydream but infact and unfortunatly for you ... in reality history proves you way wrong ... slavic brotherhood on international level is mostly propaganda myth and especially in Balkans and southern Europe ... but keep dreaming. . You can say this now that Kosovo issue is in forfront of Serb problems but some years ago you wouldnt even consider such a sentence . In country I reside Australia there has been several incidents of Croats and Serbs bombing each others Football clubs and plenty examples of group violence, I grew up amongst Croats and Serbs here in the 1980's knew plenty of them and the hatred was firm and intense then way before the wars in the 1990's ... but again keep dreaming man ...at least I know your statements here are full of flaws.
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Post by oszkarthehun on Aug 29, 2012 20:33:32 GMT -5
In fact we were a recognised European Nation Kingdom before Serbia. And yes after more than 1000 years we are a very European nation (culturaly and genetically )it could be well argued we have played a part in contributing to Europe and the west at least as much as your nation if not even more. Its kind of a joke when you talk about Slavic brotherhood when most Slavs anywhere near you have had major issues with you. Normally i try be friendly with Serbs and i have a few Serb friends in real time but when i come across ignorant racist nationalistic idiots i will stand straight and shoot straight. no matter how west your horde travels you'll always stay a central-asian barbarian...like your ancestor atilla...Serbia should border Slovakia our Slavic brothers
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Post by oszkarthehun on Aug 29, 2012 17:40:26 GMT -5
hehe given Greece's geographical proximity you are probably genetically closer to a mongol and an arab and turk and an african than me mr malo kuruc but keep dreaming it seems delusional thinking is your forte... keep believing you are not a bastardised Greek but a Serb via marriage ...hehe the rest of your delusional post is not worth a response ^^^ historically speaking, at the time you are mentioning, your ancestors were most probably getting bang raped by the chinese somewhere near Bejing. Spare us the lectures you stupid mongol, and stop mentioning slavic matters as smth you really understand. You do not understand a thing. Ottoman empire existed only due to the tolerance shown by the slavs towards your asian kind. if slavs were united, most probably you would be somewhere near the sea of Japan right now... BS your pathetic kind does (the same eternal) mistake.... you keep saying that serbia used to be bulgarian, (ok, i understand every bitch wants a cheap argument)... but this can only lead to a 100% Serbian bosnian argument!!! if all true Serbs moved to Bosnia, then Bosnia must have the purest Serbs, no??? but alas, the sodomites of deception want Bosnia as well.... and their stupid arguments 100% contradict the Bulgarian theory... LMAO... that's why i am telling you... walk on home boy... (home=china).
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Post by oszkarthehun on Aug 29, 2012 3:29:28 GMT -5
well it is Serbia now
but historically speaking this wasnt the case and historically speaking the region was under Hungarian rule for far longer time period. Yes ... before Magyars as someone here would say ... Vojvodina was inhabited by Slavs, but does Slavs always equal Serbs ... ? And about Slavic rule before the Magyars... the region was more under Bulgarian authority administration not Serbia. The first Slavic states that ruled over this region included the Bulgarian Empire, Great Moravia and Ljudevit's Pannonian Duchy. During the Bulgarian administration (9th century), local Bulgarian dukes, Salan and Glad, ruled over the region. Salan's residence was Titel, while that of Glad was possibly in the rumoured rampart of Galad or perhaps in the Kladovo (Gladovo) in eastern Serbia. Glad's descendant was the duke Ahtum, another local ruler from the 11th century who opposed the establishment of Hungarian rule over the region.
In the village of Čelarevo archaeologists have also found traces of people who practised the Judaic religion. Bunardžić dated Avar-Bulgar graves excavated in Čelarevo, containing skulls with Mongolian features and Judaic symbols, to the late 8th and 9th centuries. Erdely and Vilkhnovich consider the graves to belong to the Kabars who eventually broke ties with the Khazar Empire between the 830s and 862 (Three other Khazar tribes joined the Magyars and took part in the Magyar conquest of the Carpathian basin including what is now Vojvodina in 895-907).
Following territorial disputes with Byzantine and Bulgarian states, most of Vojvodina became part of the Kingdom of Hungary between 10th and 12th century and remained under Hungarian administration until the 16th century (Following periods of Ottoman and Habsburg administrations, Hungarian political dominance over most of the region was established again in 1867 and over entire region in 1882, after abolishment of Habsburg Military Frontier).en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VojvodinaSerbs started coming to the Vojvodina region en masse during times that Ottomans was invading southern Serbia also during this time many Serbs came into region of todays Hungary as refugees and many would later go back to Serbia but many did stay and settle in Hungary also.
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Post by oszkarthehun on Aug 20, 2012 18:25:15 GMT -5
Im not sure why you think Gypsies are more Magyar than other Hungarians and I cant take this seriously at all and have never seen any such evidence, in fact gypsies are mostly following there own culture thats why they are still gypsies after all these years and not already assimilated like other groups assimilated such as ... Cumans, Jasz, and Khazar/kabars.... do u know that maybe just 200 years ago Jasz and some Cumans were still speaking their own languages in Hungary. Its very hard to say exactly with certainty where the language givers ...(Magyars) hailed from originally ... but again there isnt any serious evidence to say most of them were Muslim and as has been said they were by majority most likely some type of Pagans and its likely amongst them were already smaller groups of Christians , Muslims and even possibly Jew's ...eg Khazars. again this claim remains unfounded. All countries change over time , all Hungarians are Magyars due to the fact that all have historicaly had ancestors that were either assimilated and or combination of assimilated and with some blood that contains original or early Magyar/Hungarian stock...and dont forget our Magyar/Hungarian nation spans more than 1000 years as a recognised nation so we are all historically-ancestorally part of the Hungarian ethnogenesis and we have always referred to ourselves as Magyars...Hungarian's is how foreigners have reffered to us. Our neighbours are not pure either ... in fact both Avar and Cuman/Kun blood went deeply into eastern europe and balkans While the Cumans were gradually absorbed into eastern European populations, their trace can still be found in placenames as widespread as the city of Kumanovo in the Northeastern part of the Republic of Macedonia; a Slavic village named Kumanichevo in the Kostur (Kastoria) district of Greece, which was changed to Lithia after Greece obtained this territory in the 1913 Treaty of Bucharest, Comãneºti in Romania, a village of Kumane in Serbia, Comana in Dobrogea (also Romania) and the small village of Kumanite in Bulgaria. Debrecen in Hungary.As the Mongols pushed westwards and devastated their state, most of the Cumans fled to the Bulgarian Empire as they were major military allies. The Bulgarian Tsar Ivan-Asen II (who was descended from Cumans) settled them in the southern parts of the country, bordering the Latin Empire and the Thessallonikan Despotate.[citation needed] Those territories are in present-day Turkish Europe, Bulgaria and the Republic of Macedonia.[citation needed] The Cumans also settled in Hungary and had their own self-government there in a territory that bore their name, Kunság, that survived until the 19th centuryen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuman_peopleWhatever the origin of the initial group of nomadic warriors, the Avars rapidly intermixed with the Slavic population on the lower Danube basin and Pannonian Plain.[16] Slavic was likely used as a lingua franca within the khaganate amongst the disparate peoples. According to Pál Lipták the early Avar anthropological material was almost exclusively Europid in the 7th century, while grave-goods indicated Middle and Central Asian parallels.[20] On the other hand there were cemeteries dated for the 8th century that contained Mongoloid elements among others. He analysed the Avar Period population of the Danube-Tisza midland region and stated that 80% of them was of Europid character. Avar material culture is found south to Macedonia. Initially, the Avars and their subjects lived separately, except for Slavic and Germanic women who were married to Avar men. Eventually, the Germanic and Slavic peoples were included in the Avaric social order and culture, which itself was Persian- Byzantine in fashion.[21] Scholars have identified a fused, Avar-Slavic culture, characterized by ornaments such as half moon-shaped earrings, Byzantine-styled buckles, beads, and bracelets with horn-shaped ends.[21] Paul Fouracre notes, “[T]here appears in the seventh century a mixed Slavic-Avar material culture, interpreted as peaceful and harmonious relationships between Avar warriors and Slavic peasants. It is thought possible that at least some of the leaders of the Slavic tribes could have become part of the Avar aristocracy. Whatever the 'original' languages of the various Avar groups, Slavic was adopted as the dominant language of the Avar khaganateen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasian_Avars
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Post by oszkarthehun on Aug 14, 2012 4:40:23 GMT -5
Welcome back WBB , long time no see man ... where you been ? Have you heard anything from Yeni ? Magyar Muslims ? ya sure there was some Muslims amongst the 7 to 10 Hungarian tribes ... but I doubt ever was a majority amongst Hungarians that settled in Europe...well just look at the oldest Christian Churches in Hungary and compare to oldest Mosques .. we see Mosques only go back to Ottoman incursions era. Before that look at older Magyar Rovas and Szekely religions . Really?, o you poor thing, you need to study the history more harder instead of following your dogmatic philosophy called islamophobia. The Magyar muslims were the people who contributed alot for Arpad and his tribe, they fought for Arpad against the filthy Khazars and many other enemies of the Magyars when they arrived to Karpat medence. You are even carrying an Arpad sav, which invented by no one other than the magyar muslims for Arpad. Yes there was magyar pagans, but thats havent been proven if they were in majority, however i dont deny that there wasnt any magyar pagans, there was but denying magyar muslims is quite ridiculous. Oszki bacsi, do you know really how many hungary there was? several, you think hungary was just basically in karpat medence and not somewhere else as well? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ The Magyars were on the border with the islamic caliphate, this is proven by history but your philosophy hasnt. lol ;D
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Post by oszkarthehun on Aug 10, 2012 23:22:49 GMT -5
Interesting ...can u give me a source about this idea i would like to read more . Professor Zvi Ankori, of the Department of Jewish History at Tel Aviv University (among other institutions), compared Koestler to Jacob Fallmerayer, the German scholar who already in the nineteenth century had suggested that the modern Greeks were not descendants of the ancient Hellenes, as they imagined, but of a hotchpotch of Slavs, Bulgars, Albanians and others who had poured into the Peloponnese and gradually mixed with its original population.
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