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Post by oszkarthehun on Feb 25, 2008 6:49:29 GMT -5
I am not an expert on Islam and I dont know maybe there are some differing interpretations of the Quaran amongst Muslims.
But isnt one of the Pillars of Islam the obligation of Muslims to engage in Holy War against Infidels and to expand Islamic territories, social rule and power. Also isnt there some idea that if someone wants to leave Islam they should or could be killed. Also isnt Islam against the idea of Democracy because all laws should only be based on Islamic law.
I am a reasonably tolerant person to other cultures and religions but I have seen the views of some Muslims that lead Me to feel they are much less tolerant than what I am. I suppose yes I could say same about certain Christians or others from many religions I suppose I feel a bit suspicious towards any organised religion that becomes overly elitist or intolerant. I believe people will be judged by God not by other people.
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Post by oszkarthehun on Feb 12, 2008 2:06:16 GMT -5
Phucking hypocrites. They were yealling at us about human rights and respecting minorities, when they don`t even have turkish schools.... while Romania is full of Hungarian, German, Greek, Turkish, Serb schools, two Hungarian Univerities and more. The Hungarian Universities etc were in that region for a long time before it became part of Romania and I think even Trianon had some official clause that minority rights had to be given this may have also included those schools and Universities.
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Post by oszkarthehun on Oct 22, 2007 6:02:43 GMT -5
Wow , I be like yeah man
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Post by oszkarthehun on Oct 22, 2007 21:32:31 GMT -5
Show me a beautiful siptarka! Why some woman's headscarf would anoy or wonder somebody? Why do you want to see her hair? Above all it's her choice. If it is a free world..... Why can't it be for women whose, want to appear covered? As it is for woman whose, want to appear halfnaked. Why do you call it human and beautiful nudity (supposed) and, inhumain and ugly the modesty of dressing. Sure there's places to parade naked but, when it comes to self determination what and how to wear, every woman and nation has its choice, not to be imposed from outsiders. Do you ever think or judge your logic; (what a moslem woman think of your wives or daughters, sisters or mothers)? Also, which women were the best a century ago (as mothers), the eastern (including moslem and orthodox) or western, regarding the headscarf? I am sure the first group are still foward with the issues of the motherhood. its not a free world in every country . Women in Iran and some other countries cannot leave their houses without the hed scarf it would be extremly dangerous for them to do so. If it were a free world it would be interesting to see how many woman in those places would choose to continue doing that.
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Post by oszkarthehun on Oct 22, 2007 21:28:52 GMT -5
mrs assad is not arab enough to be pretty for me compared with Darine Hadchiti the hotshot lebanese singer, i hooked up with her once when she came to australia hahaha. what a night. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I thought Lebanese people do not consider themselves arabs ?? Mrs. Assad looks really Balkan to me ! Can you tell us about this crazy night ? Most Lebanese Muslims do consider themselves Arab as for Lebanese I think most are Arabs. As for WBB I doubt he is Arab but also I believe with many members from these forums any things possible lol. And as for that supposedly not Arab enough looking woman she is super hot looking imho.
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Post by oszkarthehun on Jan 18, 2008 4:07:19 GMT -5
Hungary was already Official European Kingdom in 1000 AD .
It regained its independance from Austria Hungary but was a nation much earlier.
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Post by oszkarthehun on Mar 6, 2008 6:03:23 GMT -5
Diur I am not the type of Hungarian that asks for or demands all post Trianon provinces to return to Hungary , why ? because yes truth is some places had large concentrations of non Hungarians that didnt have loyalty to Hungary and didnt wanna be part of Hungary.
Equally true Im not happy or support that Hungary lost territory because much of Trianon was done in very dirty buisiness way but the point is I would have been happy with the 1940"s borders as they were more closely done on ethnic lines and mostly kept provinces having Hun majority with Hungary Its true artificial states or states that have large minorities that dont feel part of the state will always be problems. But because of the bad way the Trianon borders were done and kept Romania has also this problem. Oh there are many other countries too.
Szekelyfold historicaly and when it went to Romania had majority Magyar pop as it does now. It rightfully should have been an autonomous region this has nothing to do with Stalinists its just logical. The majority community in Szekellyfold asking still for autonomy they dont carde about Stalin.
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Post by oszkarthehun on Mar 4, 2008 2:07:51 GMT -5
Nothingf new here in fact Romanian nationalists like Funar being trying to ethnic cleanse Magyars from Erdely for sometime now. At least the world is watching. Szekelyfold was autonomous before and really why shouldnt it be it has majority Szekely Hungarian pop that is asking for autonomy.
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Post by oszkarthehun on Oct 13, 2007 2:47:18 GMT -5
I delete them and I fully assume my decision. I think as a good start to a new forum that we have to begin from 0. Now, if you ask me to leave now I will leave and never come back. I let you to decide it. Anyway, there was personal information involved there so, taking into account that in EU is not allowed one to post personal information, I think I made it very good that I deleted them. Of course I deteled more, but this was made also before on Serbian forum. Boony lets face it you beeen a very naughty boy
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hi
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Post by oszkarthehun on Oct 13, 2007 2:51:25 GMT -5
hello test test test Szervusz Diurpanis
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Post by oszkarthehun on Mar 16, 2008 6:42:46 GMT -5
In my oppinion, hungarians are the only peoples from Europe who are still searching for their origins. Every year, hungarian nationalists come up with ludicrous theories about thier origins. Some years ago they claimed they descend from etruscans, now illyrians.... they try to justify thier presence in Europe and can`t accept the simple truth, namely that they descend from asiatic nomadic peoples who invaded Europe. I doubt Hungarian histtory would be any more eeem frustrated than say Romanian but yes there is certain degree of mystery concerning the very early origins of Hungarians even the standard theories are admittedly considered by scientific by scholars just theories without absolute proof of origin and hence there is some room for varying ideas but yes I agree some ideas seem a bit far fetchced but you would find similiar examples in other nations also. Diur Im not certain it was a Hungarian to blame for that idea about descent from Etruscans I believe much of that can be attribute to an Italian Professor of Linguistics who wrote a book about it . It is not our fault that our history and language interests and intrigues foregniers also. www.continuitas.com/etruscan.pdfHungarians dont need to justify their presence in Europe they have organised and established a recognised European Kingdom and nation since 1000AD much longer than Romania and they have been part of and contributed to European community for more than 1000 years. Even if you wanna talk about wars or invasions it doesnt unjustify anything as same thing was going on with Indo-Europeans after all didnt Rome invade and fight with Dacia so forget about that argument the point is they organised and established recognised European nation from 1000AD. They had no problems being recognised by EU so I think the facts speak for themselves they are easily part of Europe the only people who still today wanna refer to Hungarians as Asiatic Nomads who dont belong in Europe otherwise are Romanians or I should say certain type of Nationalist Romanians but really Hungary has much strong history as a Central Euro nation. Yes part of our descendancy was from eastern people I have no problem with that either still I think their is some room for speculation concerning our exact origins. One connection I do know about between Hungarians and Albanians is King Zog Married a Hungarian woman Countess Geraldine Margit Virginia Olga Mária Apponyi de Nagy-Appony. Apparently some Albanians referred to her as Queen Mother of Albania. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geraldine_Apponyi_de_Nagy-Apponyi
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Post by oszkarthehun on Feb 25, 2008 0:22:13 GMT -5
You missed the point . The point is in certain times various styles of music or dance or art were born and then spread into different places and people adopted them to certain degree into their own styles. The point I made is that Hungarians were already a nation in Europe before these styles flourished and these styles at certain time were part of Hungarian village life as they were in other places. Hungarian village women became very good seamstresses and created and decorated folk costumes in specific ways that has some variation from village to village. Also some of the motives and decorations used were actually very old specifically Hungarian motives. This is what I mean when I said you dont know about your culture if you are Hungarian cause you ignore all this stuff simply cause you dont like europeans/europe and you think its european as i said in much Hungarian folk art their are very old Magyar motives that been passed down from the very old times. Even Kodaly himself observed that Hungarian folkmusic retains early Turkic and Asian music structure , but you disregarded the folkmusic again you didnt know about your culture.
Hungarians adapted things into Hungarian style thats the point. Good or not this happens everywhere .
You seem to follow some type of limited exclusive ideas in your own mind I tend to follow more the reality, I dont deny what the truth is as I said before Hungary is an old 1200 year nation with very rich and deep culture/country with both Eastern and European influences all adopted into unique Hungarian style full stop thats how I see it and that really how it is in a nutshell.
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how many times did I ask you to prove any of those people were Muslims and never once did I recieve any proof.
Anyway Arpad wasnt the Father of Kiraly Istvan Geza was. Arpad was something like Great Great Grandfather of Saint Steve. I thought you knew the history?
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Post by oszkarthehun on Feb 24, 2008 19:36:48 GMT -5
Yeah they fought at Mohacs if you can call that pathetic display a fight. Tomori said they should not wait for the Transylvanians so they will not share their glory with the Romanians. The other fights i know about were in fact carried out mainly by the Romanians living in the Kingdom of Hungary. John Huniady knighted an impresive number of Romanians from Transylvania for fighting the Turks showing that the bulk of his army were indeed Romanians. Never heared of a Hungarian ennobled for fighting the Turks. They are no good, not fit for fighting except when they catch undefended peasants and such and only then they are brave. You cannot compare them with the Romanians who were in all the battles i know massivelly outnumbered and many times crushed the enemy. I recently read a book about Romania not written by a Hungarain but in fact a English University Professor who is specialist on Eat Euro history, he wrote I cant recall if it was 1st or 2nd World war but apparently the Romanian army was considered so bad or cowardly that the Russians I think had a word for the soldiers that meant something like girls in soldiers uniforms, it was a library book if I borow it again I will quote it exactly. Hunyadi's army was made up of Romanians, Szekely Hungarians and Hungarians, his first General was a Hungarian by the name of Szilagyi whom was the Brother of Hunyadi's Hungarian wife. As for your comments were Hungarians good soldiers or not go and read about the renowned Hungarian Hussars. Whom were highly regarded and in demand amongst several armies throughout Europe. One of Americas most decorated Army Genrals in the Civil war was in fact a Hungarian Hussar General.
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Post by oszkarthehun on Feb 24, 2008 19:15:05 GMT -5
The Hungarians have had massive programs of assimilation during the middle ages and onwards. Look at the 1848 revolution. Their national hero (Sandor Petrofi) is infact a Serb/Slovak by origin but was made to believe that he was a Magyar. his heritage was of Serb abnd Slovak but he wasnt made to believe he was Magyar he was born in Hungary and he was Hungarian and gave his loyalty to Hungary by choice. He was a very proud and loyal Hungarian Im sure he knew the heritage of his parents but his loyalty was to Hungary. One of Serbia's greatest female tennis players Monika Szeles is actually Hungarian by heritage. Slovakia's tennis player Martina Hingis is half Hungarian on her Father's side. Their is even a Romanian heavyweight boxing champion I cant remember his name he is also half Hungarian but he was beaten by the Hungarian heavyweight world title holder Zsolt Erdei.
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Post by oszkarthehun on Feb 24, 2008 9:08:29 GMT -5
to be honest with ya, hungarian christians yeah maybe stole the tradition or maybe introduced by the assimilated romanians who became hungarians, even i see it, it's not a pure hungarian tradition but a contaminated one, i dont even recognised that dance nor seen it nor even practiced it cause it is so foreign for me, hungarians christians for centuries after centuries had been contaminating the pure hungarian cultures and traditions by introducing somethings thats belongs to somebodies expecially european tradition like the folk dances and chit, u wanna know what's had been the real hungarian traditional dance? something like the Arabic Dabke dance, that's how i dance, i dance in Dabke dance since that dance has been historical for us ever since our arrival to europe. Neverless that foreign dance which hungarians are using now must be stamped out cause it's not ours. The Proto-Hungarians had been using the Dabke dance. Just imaging if Arpad seen that dance by his fellow Hungarians, he would certainly ask them like this, Hey wat da fuk are u doing? wat kind of a slobbish dance is that? hahahahahhaha. Btw, dont blame the Hungarian muslims for that, blame the hungarians christians instead, they the ones that contaminating our historical tradition and our culture, shame on them!!! Man you are hilariuos at least thats one good thing cause otherwise you dont know what the f your talking about. As for the dancing and the folklore being stolen is completly inaccurate. I doubt when the Hungarians arrived they suddenly found themselves surrounded by peoples with violins and other instruments required for folkmusic and dancing many of the instruments commonly were not even in that region untill few hundred years after Hungarians arrived and some instruments such as violin was in Hungary even before it was in Romania. Many of these folk styles , dances, music, costumes etc were developed few hundred years already after Hungarian arrived in region. If you talking about people such as Csango who were living always as minority amongst Romanians yes there costumes and some instruments very heavily influenced by Romanians and many of the Csango are intermarried with Romanian Catholics. Its only that part of their historical origin was Hungarian and fact they speak Hungarian language the ones that still do that connect them with Hungary otherwise some identify as being Hungarian and some dont so it also depend their own choice of identity. If you look at Southern Slav folk dances anyone can see there is similiarity between all the Southern Slav dance styles, folk singing styles and even music styles from Croats,Serbs,Macedonians,Bulgarians etc Im not saying there are not differences or uniquenesses but one can see the very similiar themes. If we look at Russian Cossack dancing and Polish Folk Dance there is lot of similarities. To a certain degree there are similarities bewtween Hungarian,Slovak and Romanian Dancing , I have not seen any evidence to say that the these dance styles all specifically originated solely in Romania. In fact the dance Diurpaneus accused Hungarians from stealing from Romanians was the Hungarian Verbunkos its actually a military recruiting dance and was influenced from the Hapsburgs. As for the leg slapping movements in Hungarian its called Csopaszas and this can be seen to certain degree in Hungarian,Slovak and Romanian dancing I suspect these were influenced by the Germans/Austrians who also do leg slapping but use much more stiff robotic movements where as Hungarians,Romanians use much more fluid and twisting movements. In the times majority of these folk styles and dances were created and the instruments that were needed were available for the music etc in these times Transylvania was not a culturaly exclusive territory so its ridiculous to say the folk dance and style of the region was only influenced from one culture its more than likely grown and developed between the inhabitants of the 2 main cultures there Hungarian/Szekely Hungarians and Romanians. The Hungarian folk and dance styles and Romanian folk and dance styles outside of the Tranyslvania region differ to those of Transylvania. If you are Hungarian this is why you dont know anything about your country or culture. If you only look to or consider anything before 1000AD as Hungarian then your lost. I dont care what the enemies of Hungary say , I dont care for their accusations as Hungary has enough achievments of its own that the words of a few enemy nation nationalists mean nothing to me or to the world at large whom dont see Hungary that way either. If you cant understand nations dont stand still they move and grow and develop over time its bulls**t about stealing, countries and cultures influence each other in varying ways all the time but they adapt things to their own unique style. I could talk about Hungarian origin words that are used in Romanian but they are adapted to Romanian style- language, they are not the exact word that Hungarian used th same can be true vice versa and this happens all the time with all countries. Majority of Hungarians been Christians for the majority of the time sthat Hungary has been a nation in Karpat Medenc so like always who knows where this exclusive group of non Christian Hungarians like you are but certainly they have never been significant population in Hungary.
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Post by oszkarthehun on Feb 24, 2008 8:17:06 GMT -5
Actually Hungarians never fought against the Turks but the Romanians from Transylvania and Banat fought to defnt the Hungarian Kingdom. Miserable primitive Asiatic nation. Hungarians never fought the Turks what a load of crap get off the Romanian ultranationalist Propaganda sites and go read some real history. Hunyadi's first General was his brother in law Szilagyi , the brother of Hunyadi's Hungarian wife. Szekely whom fought alongside Hunyadi are Hungarians.
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