Turks are White

[thracian08]

You are soo wrong Kastor. Turks have a very old culture. You wish!

Homosexuality in all ancient groups - NO! Only Greeks

Also Hellboy, the conquerers which you name does not negate the fact that Turks were conquerers everywhere and are very old ! Here are just a few:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Turkic_dynasties

Chronological
Xiongnu (3rd century BC-4th century AD) – Recent genetics research confirmed other studies, although A. Vovin suggested a Yeniseian languages link
Xianbei -"part Mongol, part Turkish"
Xia (Sixteen Kingdoms)
Northern Han dynasty of China
Northern Wei of China (The Kingdom of the Tabgatch (Toba).
Eastern Wei
Western Wei
Huns (4th century-5th century) Turkic origin is supported by O. Maenchen-Helfen on the basis of his linguistic studies.
Hephthalites (aka White Huns)
Türk Empire (552-744) (aka Gokturks, Great Turkic Kaghanate, Turkic Khaganate)
First Turkic Kaghanate
Eastern Turkic Kaghanate
Western Turkic Kaghanate
Second Turkic Kaghanate
Avar Kaghanate
Great Bulgaria (?-640s) (aka Old Bulgaria)
Volga Bulgaria (800-1236)
First Bulgarian Empire(681- ) (aka Balkan or Danubean Bulgars
Türgesh Kaghanate
Karluks
Khazars (7th-10th century)
Uyghur State (744-840)
Kimek Khanate
Kipchaks
Kumans
Oghuz (aka Uzes)
Pechenegs (860-1091)
Kangly
Kyrgyz State (840-920)
Tulunids (868–905)
Akþitler (935-969)
Saqsin
Ghaznavid Empire
Seljuk Empire (1073-1307)
Kara-Khanid Khanate (840-1042)
Khwarezmian Empire (ruled by a predominantly Persian-speaking[citation needed] family of Turkic mamluk origin.)
Later Tang Dynasty in China (923-936, founded by Shatuo Turks
Later Jin Dynasty in China (936-947, founded by Shatuo Turks)
Later Han Dynasty in China (947-951, founded by Shatuo Turks
Árpád dynasty
Delhi Sultanate in India (1206–1526)
Mamluk dynasty (1206-90)
Khilji dynasty (1290-1320)
Tughlaq dynasty (1320-1413)
Rasulids
Mamluks of Egypt (1250-1517)
Keraits
Naimans
Öngüts
Golden Horde (aka Kipchak Khanate) (1227-1502) [28]
Timurid dynasty (1370-1506)
Seljuk Sultanate of Rûm
Danishmends
Anatolian Turkish Beyliks
Chaka of Smyrna
Ahlatshahs
Artuklu
Dilmaçoðlu
Ýnaloðlu
Mengücek
Saltuklu
Alaiye
Aydýnoðlu
Candaroðlu
Çobanoðlu
Dulkadir
Eretna
Eþrefoðlu
Germiyan
Hamidoðlu
Kadi Burhan al-Din
Karamanoðlu
Karesi
Beylik of Lâdik
Menteþe
Osmanoðlu (Later to become Ottoman Empire)
Pervâneoðlu
Ramazanoðlu
Sâhipataoðlu
Saruhan
Beylik of Teke
Asenids
Terterids
Shishmanids
Basarabids
Chagatai Khanate
Golden Horde (aka Kipchak Khanate)
Ottoman Empire (1299-1922)
Sufids (1361-1379) (aka Kingdom of Khwarizm)
Bahmani Sultanate
Kazan Khanate (1438-1552)
Astrakhan Khanate (1430s-1554)
Siberia Khanate (1430s-1576)
Crimean Khanate (1441-1783)
Qasim Khanate (15th -17th century)
Kazakh Khanate (1456-1731)
Khiva Khanate
Kokand Khanate
Jagoldai (15th-17th century)
Black Sheep Turcomans
White Sheep Turcomans
Mughal Empire - built and ruled by Babur, a native speaker of Chagatay Turkic, and his descendants who were of Turco-Mongol origin.
Qajar dynasty (1781-1925) – A Persian dynasty of originally Turkic Oghuz descent.


Also the European conquerers you list are new. Turkic people conquered other lands a long time ago!

Yeah, the Mongols conquered everywhere, and everyone(every ethnic group) remains in the same place still. what' s your point? Turks remain in Central Asia and in Turkey today

Your population is so small Greece ! If you were so strong, you would be enormous !

[rusebg]

As I said, Thracian is Hunnic with a cleavage. Much shameless, though. Hunnic claimed only 17 empires. Thracian's list is enormous.

[Rhezus]

The truth is that Turks are generally uncivilized in cultural aspects......as you stated correctly the only thing you are good at is oppressing others and conquering their territories.

Some coleagues of mine arrived from Athens yesterday. They saw how i.e. Greek ppl were behaving at the airport, screaming at each other, no manners, nothing.. like they were catched from a dense forrest. I don't think today greek have much left from the ancient times. By the way, to explain to the hateful man Kastorianos, in ancient times hellenes were oppsessing each other and fighting with each other - all those city states.. my god. I can simply not compair today Greek with the Turkish. You Greek ppl have a lot to learn from the hospitality of your neighbours (even if you hate them so much). For instance, I have not seen any greek in proboards behaving in polite manner with the turkish guys here (probably except Kanaris). It's almost like Jani, Thracian - they always need to defend themselves from hostile greek outpourings. Not to mention that Greeks behave ironicly as if they are slightly better. haha..

[chalkedon]

Sept 4, 2009 13:08:47 GMT -5 thracian08 said:

You are soo wrong Kastor. Turks have a very old culture. You wish!

Homosexuality in all ancient groups - NO! Only Greeks

Also Hellboy, the conquerers which you name does not negate the fact that Turks were conquerers everywhere and are very old ! Here are just a few:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Turkic_dynasties

Chronological
Xiongnu (3rd century BC-4th century AD) – Recent genetics research confirmed other studies, although A. Vovin suggested a Yeniseian languages link
Xianbei -"part Mongol, part Turkish"
Xia (Sixteen Kingdoms)
Northern Han dynasty of China
Northern Wei of China (The Kingdom of the Tabgatch (Toba).
Eastern Wei
Western Wei
Huns (4th century-5th century) Turkic origin is supported by O. Maenchen-Helfen on the basis of his linguistic studies.
Hephthalites (aka White Huns)
Türk Empire (552-744) (aka Gokturks, Great Turkic Kaghanate, Turkic Khaganate)
First Turkic Kaghanate
Eastern Turkic Kaghanate
Western Turkic Kaghanate
Second Turkic Kaghanate
Avar Kaghanate
Great Bulgaria (?-640s) (aka Old Bulgaria)
Volga Bulgaria (800-1236)
First Bulgarian Empire(681- ) (aka Balkan or Danubean Bulgars
Türgesh Kaghanate
Karluks
Khazars (7th-10th century)
Uyghur State (744-840)
Kimek Khanate
Kipchaks
Kumans
Oghuz (aka Uzes)
Pechenegs (860-1091)
Kangly
Kyrgyz State (840-920)
Tulunids (868–905)
Akþitler (935-969)
Saqsin
Ghaznavid Empire
Seljuk Empire (1073-1307)
Kara-Khanid Khanate (840-1042)
Khwarezmian Empire (ruled by a predominantly Persian-speaking[citation needed] family of Turkic mamluk origin.)
Later Tang Dynasty in China (923-936, founded by Shatuo Turks
Later Jin Dynasty in China (936-947, founded by Shatuo Turks)
Later Han Dynasty in China (947-951, founded by Shatuo Turks
Árpád dynasty
Delhi Sultanate in India (1206–1526)
Mamluk dynasty (1206-90)
Khilji dynasty (1290-1320)
Tughlaq dynasty (1320-1413)
Rasulids
Mamluks of Egypt (1250-1517)
Keraits
Naimans
Öngüts
Golden Horde (aka Kipchak Khanate) (1227-1502) [28]
Timurid dynasty (1370-1506)
Seljuk Sultanate of Rûm
Danishmends
Anatolian Turkish Beyliks
Chaka of Smyrna
Ahlatshahs
Artuklu
Dilmaçoðlu
Ýnaloðlu
Mengücek
Saltuklu
Alaiye
Aydýnoðlu
Candaroðlu
Çobanoðlu
Dulkadir
Eretna
Eþrefoðlu
Germiyan
Hamidoðlu
Kadi Burhan al-Din
Karamanoðlu
Karesi
Beylik of Lâdik
Menteþe
Osmanoðlu (Later to become Ottoman Empire)
Pervâneoðlu
Ramazanoðlu
Sâhipataoðlu
Saruhan
Beylik of Teke
Asenids
Terterids
Shishmanids
Basarabids
Chagatai Khanate
Golden Horde (aka Kipchak Khanate)
Ottoman Empire (1299-1922)
Sufids (1361-1379) (aka Kingdom of Khwarizm)
Bahmani Sultanate
Kazan Khanate (1438-1552)
Astrakhan Khanate (1430s-1554)
Siberia Khanate (1430s-1576)
Crimean Khanate (1441-1783)
Qasim Khanate (15th -17th century)
Kazakh Khanate (1456-1731)
Khiva Khanate
Kokand Khanate
Jagoldai (15th-17th century)
Black Sheep Turcomans
White Sheep Turcomans
Mughal Empire - built and ruled by Babur, a native speaker of Chagatay Turkic, and his descendants who were of Turco-Mongol origin.
Qajar dynasty (1781-1925) – A Persian dynasty of originally Turkic Oghuz descent.


Also the European conquerers you list are new. Turkic people conquered other lands a long time ago!

Yeah, the Mongols conquered everywhere, and everyone(every ethnic group) remains in the same place still. what' s your point? Turks remain in Central Asia and in Turkey today

Your population is so small Greece ! If you were so strong, you would be enormous !

aaahhh yes...so small.. We are so small that ppl look at our monuments from sicily to afghanistan ;D

Hell, your tourism is made off of us..LOL ! Turks have nothing to show. Besides conquering wastelands like the steppes of asia is nothing in comparison in conquering the whole known world.

you should read up a little on history thracian. It think you missed a couple history lessons. Anyway, ppl will be judged on what they build and what they contribute to the world. You on the other hand are defending yourselves against genocide allegations and it will remain so until it is accepted by you.

Im out of this thread...take care

[thracian08]

Yes, you are small in number. Look at all the Central Asian countries that are Turkish:

Samarkent, Ashakbad, Uygur region, Tashkent, Baku, etc....These are all cities of great civilization, where libraries, science, and trade all flourished.

One example is Samarkand: It is the second-largest city in Uzbekistan and the capital of Samarqand Province. The city is most noted for its central position on the Silk Road between China and the West, and for being an Islamic centre for scholarly study. The Bibi-Khanym Mosque remains one of the city's most famous landmarks. The Registan was the ancient centre of the city. In 2001, UNESCO inscribed the 2,750-year-old city on the World Heritage List as Samarkand - Crossroads of Cultures.

Why would Turkey's tourism be off of Greece's? Your comment makes no sense. Turkey has way more to offer than Greece. Turkey is much larger, as much more history and natural settings, and variety in every way. We created Empires, and founded different civilizations as you can see from the long list.

You should read up on Turkish History and learn a little thing or too about Turkish people, instead of constantly hating us. You should learn that Turks were the best at governing people and are great policiticians. One thing worth mentioning is that Turks did not promote people due to heritary lines, unlike Europeans and Persians. Turks allowed anyone to become anything they wanted to based upon their abilities. This is a Turkish cultural trait. The Mongols also had the same trait.

One great Ottoman was Piri Reis. He drew the map of the world, way before Christopher Columbus went out to see the world.
Piri Reis (full name Hadji Muhiddin Piri Ibn Hadji Mehmed, reis/rais is Arabic for captain) (about 1465–1554 or 1555) was an Ottoman-Turkish admiral, privateer, geographer and cartographer born between 1465 and 1470 in Gallipoli on the Aegean coast of Turkey.

He is primarily known today for his maps and charts collected in his Kitab-ý Bahriye (Book of Navigation), a book which contains detailed information on navigation as well as extremely accurate charts describing the important ports and cities of the Mediterranean Sea. He gained fame as a cartographer when a small part of his first world map (prepared in 1513) was discovered in 1929 at Topkapý Palace in Istanbul. The most surprising aspect was the presence of the Americas on an Ottoman map, making it the oldest known Turkish map showing the New World, and one of the oldest maps of America still in existence in the world (the oldest known map of America that's still in existence is the map drawn by Juan de la Cosa in 1500, which is conserved in the Naval Museum (Museo Naval) of Madrid, Spain.)

The most striking characteristic of the first world map (1513) of Piri Reis, however, is the level of accuracy in positioning the continents (particularly the relation between Africa and South America) which was unparalleled for its time. Even maps drawn decades later did not have such accurate positioning and proportions; a quality which can be observed in other maps of Piri Reis in his Kitab-ý Bahriye (Book of Navigation). Piri Reis' map is centered in the Sahara at the Tropic of Cancer latitude. Charles Hapgood argued that the Piri Reis map preserved knowledge of Antarctica from an Ice Age civilization.

In 1528 Piri Reis drew a second world map, of which a small fragment showing Greenland and North America from Labrador and Newfoundland in the north to Florida, Cuba and parts of Central America in the south still survives.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Piri_reis_world_map_01.jpg


Of course I will defend Turks, we are right, the Armenians are wrong.

[Kastorianos]

and then you woke up.

[rusebg]

we are right, the Armenians are wrong.

You should have killed them all, those wrong bastards. Not a single Armenian should have left.

[tsompanos]

Its funny how rhezus always jumps in to protect the turks with his fantasy tales

[hellboy87]

Sept 4, 2009 13:08:47 GMT -5 thracian08 said:

You are soo wrong Kastor. Turks have a very old culture. You wish!

Homosexuality in all ancient groups - NO! Only Greeks

Also Hellboy, the conquerers which you name does not negate the fact that Turks were conquerers everywhere and are very old !

Turks were conquerors everywhere?
NO!

Countries,that were under Turkic rule,either partly or fully include: China, Mongolia, Russia, India, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyztan, Tadjikistan, Turkmenistan, Iran, all the West Asian coutries, Eastern Europe, North Africa, and a bit of East Africa.

UK had the Indian subcontinent,Malaysia,Burma,Hong Kong,Canada,USA,few Carribean Islands,many countries in Africa,Islands in the Pacific and of course Australia and New Zealand!!!!! Waaaayy bigger than Turkics!!!

Also,as it can be seen,the impact of the Brits is way bigger than Turkics:English language,legal system,sports,technology.

Turkics? They take from Persians,they take from Arabs,they take from Chinese,they take from Greeks and Armenians,they take from Anatolians.

Only good at fighting,winning wars,conquering.


As for homosexuality? Always existed and in all ethnic groups and all social groups!

Maybe,homosexuality,being a minority everywhere,were viewed as weird and deviant by many,thus feared and persecuted because of it,but Greeks? Nah! They understood humanity and let them flourish.
Progressive.Ahead of their time.

[hellboy87]

Just saving it here for revision,will remove later:

Please adv cust on the warranty guidelines when we refer the cust to the NCC with POP - As long as the phone meets all the warranty guidelines and still within the 12 months warranty period , therefore , there will be no charges to repair the phone.

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unable to send sms

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unable to send mms

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check on the file size on mms < 300 kB
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blank / black screen

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PC Suite connection via cable

adv cust to plug out the cable and close the PC Suite folder
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adv cust to uninstall the PC Suite,PC connectivity solution and cable drivers from add / remove programs - control panel
adv cust to download the PC Suite cleaner from www.nokia-asia.com - support - SW
adv cust to save it and select on ' Clean My Com '
adv cust to download the latest PC Suite again from the same site
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gave the SR number

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sim card not valid , sim card registration failed

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security code

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restriction code

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call issues

unable to make / receive calls
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mms issues

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DOP : this month
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only a particular file cannot be sent
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6110 Navigator

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[Rhezus]

Tsompanus, its obvious you hate turks, that's not a fantasy.
You can't simply handle it, turks ruled you, and the most important, northern GR is ethnically not yours... not Thracia, not Macedonia.

[tsompanos]

rhezus my family originates from Adrianople and yours from the Volga so dont tell me who belongs where

[Rhezus]

Tsompanos, my relatives originate from Thrace, so don't tell me they are something else than Thrax (which is to say non- Greek). Don't involve Volga or Rhein it won't help you. The name Odrin (or Adrianople) is derived just from the name of a thracian tribe Odrisi/Odrisae. So your greek origin could be very doubtful, but of course, there are many like you in Western Thrace.

[Patrinos]

Sept 5, 2009 16:58:17 GMT -5 Rhezus said:

Tsompanos, my relatives originate from Thrace, so don't tell me they are something else than Thrax (which is to say non- Greek). Don't involve Volga or Rhein it won't help you. The name Odrin (or Adrianople) is derived just from the name of a thracian tribe Odrisi/Odrisae. So your greek origin could be very doubtful, but of course, there are many like you in Western Thrace.

Talk some thracian for me... ...

[tsompanos]

Sept 5, 2009 16:58:17 GMT -5 Rhezus said:

Tsompanos, my relatives originate from Thrace, so don't tell me they are something else than Thrax (which is to say non- Greek). Don't involve Volga or Rhein it won't help you. The name Odrin (or Adrianople) is derived just from the name of a thracian tribe Odrisi/Odrisae. So your greek origin could be very doubtful, but of course, there are many like you in Western Thrace.

ok...

[todhrimencuri]

Thracian, I agree 100%. The Armenians had it coming.

The name Odrin (or Adrianople) is derived just from the name of a thracian tribe Odrisi/Odrisae.

Wtf? Adrianople was named after the Roman Emperor Hadrian during his tour around the eastern portion of the Empire. Hadrian created a number of settlements and cities named after himself and his Greek lover Antinous.

Odrin is just a Slavic corruption of Adrianopolis.

[thracian08]

Thank you.

I have no idea about the background of Edirne.

This is to the alien:
Of course Turks conquered quite a lot of places. You listing the British colonization does not negate the Turks conquered places. you have no logic.

Every civilzation takes from others - back then there was no such thing 1 ethnic group. People lived in Empires.

[monsterofsouli]

Turks are okay in my book.

[monsterofsouli]

Turks claiming to be white? It is definitely opinion but I am not quite sure they would fit into the category. What exactly do Turks share culturally, linguistically, religiously, with the rest of the mainstream white cultures of Europe, North America and Australlia?

[hellboy87]

Well monsterofsouli,Turkey has connections to Europe:Geographically,Culturally,Historically,Racially.Like that.


As for them being white,well,those of Anatolian stock are generally not considered white.Most of them cluster with their neighbours in the Middle East in racial features.Though a minority do cluster with southern Europeans.

But then again,if its "Turks" as in those who are just citizens of Turkey,then yes,there are millions of "white" Turks(citizens) in Turkey.Of course,the foremost are Albanians,Bosniaks,Georgians and Circassians.

In fact,if Turkey is considered a country outside Europe,then it is kind of like USA,Canada,Brazil,Mexico,Argentina,Chile,Australia and New Zealand:Countries outside Europe with a majority or very significant European descended population and Western ways.

But the thing is,many of Turkey's Western ways are very much copies,hence fake.A lot of it is defensive behaviour:Look! We are Western/modern/civilized! We do this,that etc Like things they do,dress,behave etc.