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Post by thracian08 on Sept 1, 2009 17:34:31 GMT -5
The Turkish Race, the Characteristics of the Turkish Race Hunnic Empire was founded by Schythians and Sakas, our early ancestors. Turks are white , brachycephal (Alpine) Race. We're Caucasoid, we're pale-skinned, we do not have pitch black hair or eyes. The definitions about the Turkish Race that were made in history are quite confusing. In Chinese yearbooks as well as in Latin and Greek sources the Turks have rather been described as Mongolian types. The reason why the Turks were shown as "mongoloids" in ancient times canbe explained by the fact that in those times the Mongolian element was a majority among the Turkish States. Through the whole history of the Turks, the nearest contact was totheir close neighbour the Mongolians. The crowded Mongolian populations had joined under the Turkish regency (like the Tabgac's at the Asian Hun's) and ten thousands of Mongolianshad shared long immigrations together with the Turks (like the East Hun's). Furthermore if we consider the possibility of mixture of the races caused by this close contact, the observation of foreigners should be not so surprising to us. Essentially the scientific investigations made in the last half of this century brought forward that the Turks belong to the white race and it came out that the Turks - belonging to the"Turanid" type of the "Europid" group which is one of the three bigrace groups on earth - had many different anthropological criteria that separated them in first line from the "Mongoloid" Mongolians (dominating quality white colour,straight nose, round face, lightly curly hair, middle dense beard and moustache). Furthermore, it is known that the Turkish race as in the Torah narrations (not from Ham and Sam, but from the race of Yafes) is shown from the white race. As a sample of the Turan type the Middle Asian, Maveraunnehir and other Near-East Turks were shown as white-skinned, dark shiny eyed, round faced ("moon faced, almond eyed"), well-proportioned, strong buildmen and women (the bust of Kül Tegin Prince of the Gök-Türk) who were show as a sample of beauty in the sources of the Middle Ages and even in Iranian literature the word "Turk" came to the meaning "beautiful human". It is also a fact that Turkish people have beautiful eyes ! ________________ Cypriots - In pictures illyria.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=physicalracialanthropologydiscussion&action=display&thread=23341turks (uyghurs) illyria.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=physicalracialanthropologydiscussion&action=display&thread=27670 |
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Post by tsompanos on Sept 1, 2009 18:30:45 GMT -5
turks of turkey are very mixed  |
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Post by srbobran on Sept 1, 2009 21:09:24 GMT -5
Yeah. There's lots of people in that picture that could easily pass as Balkan or Med but then some others, not so much.
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Post by hellboy87 on Sept 1, 2009 22:10:40 GMT -5
thats bullsh*t,thracian
Turkics are not white.They are northeast asian types
Tell me this thracian,WHY,just WHY Turkics in the Middle East look mostly Middle Eastern,Turkics in Europe mostly look European and Turkics in Central Asia look Northeast Asian and to a large extent mixed?
And the origins of Turkics are in the northeast of Asia and you know how the people there look.
Another thing is the Turkics were powerful conquerors.So no suprise they impose themselves on their newly conquered subjects.
Same with Indo-Europeans:those in the Indian subcontinent look Indian and lots look mixed,those in Iran and Turkey(Kurds) mostly Middle Eastern and those in Europe look European.
By the way,the Caucasoids is a generic term for Europeans,North Africans,West Asians and if I'm not mistaken,also the people of the Indian subcontinent.
But because the word Caucasian is used for whites,hence the Caucasoid word is used as in "like" white.
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Post by hellboy87 on Sept 1, 2009 22:16:20 GMT -5
Furthermore, it is known that the Turkish race as in the Torah narrations (not from Ham and Sam, but from the race of Yafes) is shown from the white race. As a sample of the Turan type the Middle Asian, Maveraunnehir and other Near-East Turks were shown as white-skinned, dark shiny eyed, round faced ("moon faced, almond eyed"), well-proportioned, strong buildmen and women (the bust of Kül Tegin Prince of the Gök-Türk) who were show as a sample of beauty in the sources of the Middle Ages and even in Iranian literature the word "Turk" came to the meaning "beautiful human". It is also a fact that Turkish people have beautiful eyes ! This looks like propoganda and self-admiring boasting we are so great bla bla bla bs In the Ottoman Empire,Turk was a derogatory word. And they,the Turkics,certainly never considered themselves beautiful:all the mothers of all the Ottoman rulers were not Turkic. |
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Post by Kastorianos on Sept 2, 2009 5:07:37 GMT -5
over 90% of Turks would not pass for European.
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Post by Vizier of Oz on Sept 2, 2009 6:04:15 GMT -5
over 90% of Turks would not pass for European. It is good to know that we do not look like you.  |
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Post by rusebg on Sept 2, 2009 6:31:01 GMT -5
Oh, now you are Scythians as well?!
I think it is time to buy a new computer, with the biggest memory available so I could enter all those peoples you have claimed as your ancestors. This is a huge list.
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Post by Kastorianos on Sept 2, 2009 6:59:23 GMT -5
over 90% of Turks would not pass for European. It is good to know that we do not look like you. yea it is indeed. |
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Sept 2, 2009 10:26:10 GMT -5
I have read reports that Mongols were never that numerous and that even in the peak of their power they never reached half a million people. After the complete defeat of the Khwarezmian Empire in 1220, Genghis Khan gathered his forces in Persia and Armenia to return to the Mongolian steppes. Under the suggestion of Subutai, the Mongol army was split into two component forces. Genghis Khan led the main army on a raid through Afghanistan and northern India towards Mongolia, while another 20,000 (two tumen) contingent marched through the Caucasus and into Russia under generals Jebe and Subutai. They pushed deep into Armenia and Azerbaijan. The Mongols destroyed Georgia, sacked the Genoese trade-fortress of Caffa in Crimea and overwintered near the Black Sea. Heading home, Subutai's forces attacked the Kipchaks and were intercepted by the allied but poorly coordinated troops of Mstislav the Bold of Halych and Mstislav III of Kiev, along with about 80,000 Kievan Rus' troops to stop their actions. Subutai sent emissaries to the Slavic princes calling for a separate peace, but the emissaries were executed. At the Battle of Kalka River in 1223, Subutai's forces defeated the larger Kievan force, while losing the battle of Samara Bend against the neighboring Volga Bulgars.[14]
Mongol army here has 40,000 people. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genghis_Khan#Georgia_and_Volga_BulgariaGenghis Khan left behind an army of more than 129,000 men; 28,000 were given to his various brothers and his sons. Tolui, his youngest son, inherited more than 100,000 men. This force contained the bulk of the elite Mongolian cavalry. By tradition, the youngest son inherits his father's property. Jochi, Chagatai, Ögedei Khan, and Kulan's son Gelejian received armies of 4,000 men each. His mother and the descendants of his three brothers received 3,000 men each. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genghis_Khan#Death_and_burialPS: Point is that medieval expansionist Mongols are probably not the reason why Turkics in central Asia have a very strong Mongoloid racial component to them (since there was never that many of them). In fact so strong of an element is mongoloid within them that they are in effect Turanid in race which is mestizo like mixed race between Caucasoids and Mongoloids. This Turanid component accompanies Turkics everywhere including central Anatolia, sections of Balkans etc. Turanid appears strongly associated with Turkics who were mainly of this type from before Mongols (perhaps as a mixed Persian and Mongol-like people). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turanid |
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Post by thracian08 on Sept 2, 2009 12:03:10 GMT -5
you are a complete idiot hellboy. Yes, Turks were considered Beautiful according to Persian sources ! And this was way before the Ottomans. Stop writing crap ! Of course we are self admiring, we are proud to be Turkish You wish Kastor! How can you claim Turks do not look European! Look at Greeks, they are curly haired, hairy, dark skinned people ! You look Middle Eastern ! Turks are not dark, they have straight hair, have colored eyes. Kurds look like Iranians, they are dark skinned, have thick eyebrows. I can spot the difference between a Turk Kurd or Iranian immediately. go for it Ruse If you look at where Turks originated, the fact that they and Mongolians are nomadic people of that area, and Scythians were also nomadic, wear the same outfits, you would agree. |
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Post by Kastorianos on Sept 2, 2009 13:06:33 GMT -5
Thracian you are completely ignorant regarding your people. I live in Germany and this country is full of your people. I know what Im talking about.
Greeks do look to over 95% European. Clearly. Turks and Greeks do not look that similar in fact. Turks show at least (not to say absolutely) predominant non-european traits usually.
Just because you might look European and you wish you looked like the average Turk it doesnt mean we have to put up with your bulls.hit-theses...get mature finally.
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Post by todhrimencuri on Sept 2, 2009 13:27:07 GMT -5
Mongols werent numerous, but they and the earlier Selcuks opened the door to vast numbers of Turkic peoples.
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Post by tsompanos on Sept 2, 2009 15:14:00 GMT -5
Mongols werent numerous, but they and the earlier Selcuks opened the door to vast numbers of Turkic peoples. ye but how turkic is modern day turkey , turks basically look like all their neighbours and balkans, the real turkic people in the area is kazakstan |
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Post by rusebg on Sept 2, 2009 15:56:20 GMT -5
Of course I agree. I would even enter Gauchos in Argentina and cowboys in America in that list.
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Post by Rhezus on Sept 2, 2009 18:48:58 GMT -5
Haha.. and that is said by a Greek!! So you know what you are talking about by just looking at some gastarbeiters in Germany. Why not go to Turkey and check there.  |
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Post by Kanaris on Sept 2, 2009 19:20:33 GMT -5
Typical day in Athens..  Typical day in Cesme.... 2 days later..  I shot both pics.... both places have their ups and downs.... the more you travel in Turkey eastward the darker the people get... which is not a bad thing.. |
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Sept 2, 2009 20:25:43 GMT -5
"White" is such a stupid classification.
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Post by hellboy87 on Sept 2, 2009 21:07:13 GMT -5
thracian,have u ever heard stories of racist attacks on Turks in Germany???
Many times it has happen.This sure proves those Germans dont see them as white.
And yes Kasto,I would say most Greeks look European Mediterranean.
For Anatolian Turks,most look like people in their neighbouring Middle Eastern countries.You have lots who look like Levantines,Iraqis,Iranians and those who look like Peninsular Arabians.
Then you have some who look European Mediterranean,like Greeks,Spaniards,Italians.
But most look Middle Eastern.
Then you have millions and millions Bosniak,Albanian,Chevneburi and Circassian descended people in Turkey.
So of course most of the typical looking European or white ones in Turkey comes from the group I just listed above.
And Kanaris,yes I have read that over and over and over again saying that the more eastern you go in Turkey,the darker the people are.
I think its also because in the eastern parts,especially the southeast,didnt get much European muhacirs settling there.
If I'm not mistaken,the southeast(Kurdistan) didnt get any.If they did,not much.
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Post by Vizier of Oz on Sept 3, 2009 0:12:39 GMT -5
Greeks do look to over 95% European. Clearly. Turks and Greeks do not look that similar in fact. Turks show at least (not to say absolutely) predominant non-european traits usually. I disagree. One can easily pick a Greek amongst the Czech, Norwegian, Dutch, Russians, Germans, British, French, and so on. Most of the Italians, Greeks, Portuguese and Spanish resemble the Berbers, Lebonese, and Syrians more than the other European peoples noted above. If you think those people also look European, then most of the people in Syria, Iran or Afghanistan too. ;D |
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