Turks are White

[Novi Pazar]

"But originally,Turkics look northeast Asian just like their Altaic cousins the Mongolic and Tunguistic peoples."

100% correct, like the Saka people.

[majmun]

that girl in the second pic looks like a girl I know

And why does it matter, it is not like there is a line and people look like this and that on each side of it. Modern day Turks are a mix of everything from Whites, to Middleeasterners and Mongolic. I have seen turks that were slavic looking, I have seen turks that were european-med looking, I have seen turks that are Arab looking, I have seen Turkic looking. I think, from the rather few Turks I have met, that in the western part of Turkey there are a lot of whites, whilst the rest is a mix of everything, and mostly non-white. And why does it matter?

[hellboy87]

majmun,the reason why there are lots of white in western Turkey is because lots of Grecian Muslims,Bosniaks and ALbanians settled there

[Username]

First, white isn't all about skin color.. You have the palest looking people in the Middle East (e.g. Iran), but you can definitely tell they are not European.. and most people would not include them in the definition of white.

From what I've seen, Turks seem to be a mix of everything, but I think the majority of Turks do not look European. The one's in the European Turkey - sure, lots do, but as you head further east, they look more and more Middle Eastern.

You can be olive-skinned (or darker Mediterranean color) like the Greeks, Spanish, Italians, etc. but it is your facial features which pinpoint you as white.. Those pics of the national soccer teams - for most of them you can tell that they're either Middle Eastern or European even though their skin colors are very similar.

I'm also laughing at the pics posted here.. cause there was obviously a selection bias going on.. you picked pics of white Turks to post only.

But this is a ridiculous argument anyways, as I would say Turks are very attractive people... some look European.. only a minority.. some look Middle Eastern, but who cares?

[insomniac]

These girls are white or mixed...

[tyson]

indians are not caucasian, they are of dravidian race. only some northern tribes of indians like the punjabs, can be considered mixed of dravidian and caucasian stock .
southern tribes of indians like tamils are pure dravidian race, and are 100% not caucasian.

[monsterofsouli]

Most human beings are pure scum. Who cares what color they are???

[Novi Pazar]

"indians are not caucasian, they are of dravidian race. only some northern tribes of indians like the punjabs, can be considered mixed of dravidian and caucasian stock .
southern tribes of indians like tamils are pure dravidian race, and are 100% not caucasian."

Yes the dravidians are not considered to be caucasian, but they are considered to be caucasoid. Caucasoids are a highly diverse racial type. Do you know Tyson that there is another country with dark skinned caucasoid people, its southern iraq. I've seen some pictures of pure fulani people of Nigeria, who are dark as the surrounding negroids, these people possess the typical caucasoid traits, deep set eyes, thin bridged nose, prominent chin, big brows etc....

[Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning]

Actually for your information, I do not look like an Arab, I have been told I have Egyptian eyes. Which are beautiful eyes by the way.

Mostly people will approach me thinking I am Latino.

People from Cyprus look like arabs?

Here are some pictures of my cousins and friends from Cyprus:




one in the middle



Now don't get me wrong I am not a typical Turk or Cypriot, I look like Im from everwhere, this comes from having Bulgarian, Yoruk, Greek, Turkish, and a touch of Kurdish I think and Egyptian ancestory.

I have been in Ankara for 4 years, travelled all over the place and I can firmly re state that TURKS are a mix, they can look anything from irish to arab.

Here are some of my best mates from Ankara:



on the right with her bro n sis


with her husband.



My new twin cousins:
by the way they are red heads

[Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning]

As for people from Cyprus look different
I have stated so many times that I'm bored of it, my family from Cyprus are all blondy with blue eyes, or brunette with Green eyes, the darkest eye colour is Hazel.

The Turkish Cypriots are way lighter than the Greek Cypriots and thats a fact, although I do know there are small areas with black cypriots.

Anyhow, Turks cannot be defined as a certain colour or race, they are way too mixed to be pure anything including white (whatever that is) get over it and embrace the beauty of diversity I say

[donnie]

Girl in the second last picture looks really hot!

[thracian08]

Many Europeans like to say that the original Turks looked Mongolian which is totally incorrect. Look at Azeris, Turkmen, Gagouz, and Turks which are part of the Oguz Turks. They are all white with a small tiny asian influence. Novi, Oguz Turks are not Sakas. There are many different Turkish groups.

I'll post a video from youtube to show the different Turkish groups:

[Novi Pazar]

Thracian, the Turks of Turkey look like 1% of their ancestors from central asia, who were a mongoloid/caucasoid hybrid but the starting point and the original Turk was a fully mongoloid like a Saka. The original homeland of the Turks was Mongolia:

Mongolia is the original homeland of both Turks and Mongols, two groups much intermingled in history and loosely related in their languages.

www.historyworld.net/wrldhis/PlainTextHistories.asp?historyid=aa98

[king]

I live in austria and the turks here look majority non-white (they look middle eastern) here and there i saw a turkish person who could pass as austrian or european and i was surprised when i discovered that they are turks, but they are minority. I saw many white turkish faces on pics on anthropology forums though. I didnt made up my mind whether turks are white or not, i guess they are diverse and mixed some are white, some are not.

[thracian08]

You can say all you want Novi but the fact remains Turks were not 100% mongoloid. They are much more caucasoid looking than mongoloid. And especially when we talk about the Oguz Turks.

The Hungarians, Finns, and Bulgars are also from present day Mongolia but they do not look Mongoloid either.

Even evidence comes from the mummies found in Turkestan showing that they have Asian genes but white features:

[Novi Pazar]

^ Thracian, those mummies of the tarim basin were indo-europeans, their clothing was most similar to the present day celtic peoples of Ireland, Scotland and Wales, not Turkics.

Tell me, how did the Saka people become Turkic, whats the theory that turkics from lake baikal turkicised them?

[Novi Pazar]

"Altaic is a language family that is generally held by its proponents to include the Turkic, Mongolic, Tungusic, Korean, and Japonic language families (Georg et al. 1999:73–74).[2] These languages are spoken in a wide arc stretching from northeast Asia through Central Asia to Anatolia and eastern Europe (Turks, Kalmyks).[3] The group is named after the Altai Mountains, a mountain range in Central Asia."

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altaic_languages

[Patrinos]

its true that sometimes,if a Turk talks fast sounds like samuraj(btw Mysia is that albanian?...mehmetaj, gjinaj etc ?)

[nilofer]

Sept 2, 2009 12:03:10 GMT -5 thracian08 said:

Yes, Turks were considered Beautiful according to Persian sources !

What Persian sources? . Post'em, please.

How can you claim Turks do not look European!

Because most of the time they reaaally don't...I was in Istanbul in October '09, and the Turks there did not look European at all. Those few light-haired and blue-eyed people you would see usually spoke a Slavic language or were tourists from Europe and America.

You look Middle Eastern !

Why do you say that like it's an insult to look Middle Eastern? For someone who claims to be proud to be Turkish, it sure doesn't sound like it when you try to make people believe that you are white, light and generally very un-Turkish/Middle Eastern-like in your appearance.
Also, Middle Easterns don't actually have one certain look - just like Europeans don't have one certain look. I know plenty of Middle Easterns who are way more light-skinned, light-haired etc. than Europeans.

Turks are not dark, they have straight hair, have colored eyes. Kurds look like Iranians, they are dark skinned, have thick eyebrows.

Yeah, colored contact lense eyes, maybe . Anyone can get that look, nothing to shout loudly and proudly about.

I can spot the difference between a Turk Kurd or Iranian immediately.

Didn't you just say that Kurds look like Iranians? Now you can tell how they look different from one another? .

Anyway, yeah, some Kurds look Iranian, some Iranians look Kurdish, some Arabs look Kurdish, some Kurds look Arab...generally, there are a lot of similar characterististics between people who're from around the same area. That's not a surprise, is it? .

[thracian08]

The Shahname.

I never said it was an insult to look M. E. But Turks don't look like Arabs or Iranians. And Istanbul is not representative of all of Turkey. In many different regions there are blondes and people with blue, green and hazel eyes.

Yes, in fact there are a lot of Turks with green and hazel eyes - no contacts okay

Yes, I can spot the different between a Turk and a Kurd or btwn a Turk and an Iranian. They have different facial features.

Turks are not dark skinned though. Arabs and Iranians are - their features are dark and their eyebrows are thick, and their faces look different.

Sure of course their are light Arabs on occasion. I'm talking about the average person.