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Post by Anittas on Sept 6, 2011 17:29:13 GMT -5
For someone from Romania to call Bulgaria underdeveloped is a bit of the 'pot and kettle' complex. I wonder what the Hungarians have to say about Transylvania? Were they settlers that forced themselves upon the local ( Romanian) population or was that always part of ethnic Hungary? Didn't know so much tension existed between Bulgarians and Romanians. But you are not hard to distinguish from eachother , right? Different language so its pretty easy to tell what is Bulgarian/Romanian and what is not. The Hungarians had their say in the Transylvania issue when they declared war on Romania and it ended with us occupying Hungary for a year (1919). No one forced Hungary to discriminate against the Romanians in Maramures in the 13th century (before they managed to conquer it) and forcing them to convert; no one forced Hungary to wage war against Moldavia and Wallachia for centuries. Live by the sword, die by the sword.
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Post by Catcher in the Rye on Sept 6, 2011 17:34:16 GMT -5
If it is about history, you didn't do a great favour to Germans in Stalingard. I don't know if history is your strong point but the first lines that the Soviets started to bombard were those of the Romanian soldiers. As expected, they gave up very quickly. As for Southern Dobrudja, it was never yours with the exception of the short period after WWI, when you took it due to your coward, w**re-like politics. The opposite is right - Northern Dobrudja should belong to Bulgaria because it has always been an integral part of the two Bulgarian empires. Shameful lies. The only ones to blame for Stalingrad are the Germans who are much overestimated while they in fact are good for nothing. In Stalingrad, they placed newly arrived Romanian units on the flanks in open frozen fields, while the Soviets had bridgeheads in those areas preparing for a huge offensive. Now, you don't have to be Napoleon to imagine that the Soviets will attack on the flanks and try to surround the city of Stalingrad. The Romanian officers, who were under the command of the German retards, asked for an attack on the huge Soviet concentration of troops and materials while informing that because of the frozen soil there is no time to build serious defenses considering the Romanian troops arrived very late. The German retards refused to move their lazy arses installed in the city of Stalingrad and the rest is history. What happened after that it's known after one of the most ferocious artillery attack in history, the flanks comprised of Romanian, Hungarian and Italian troops were massacred and Stalingrad was surrounded. Afte that the Romanian realized we went in that huge gamble with amateurs and the Germans will lose the war. The Germans are to blame. Fools... As for Dobrogea, you must be joking, there is not a single trace of Bulgaria in Dobrogea. What you wrote is as much of a joke as mentioning a Bulgarian empire or two... Do you know that Gypsies have an emperor? I think it's a habit they took from the Bulgarians. That's the sort of empire Bulgaria was. You are the laugh of the world.
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Post by elemag on Sept 6, 2011 17:39:26 GMT -5
Man with a ridiculous nick, I am neither Ivo, nor Kotrag, nor whoever ancient Bulgarian ruler. Back to your post - if Vlahs were first mentioned in the 11th century, wtf are you claiming that you are such an old ethnicity in the Balkans since you yourself admit that centuries have passed before someone mentioned you? Please note, the word is mention, like in the case when someone mentions an annoying insect around his glass. Daco-Romans? I guess not.
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Post by elemag on Sept 6, 2011 17:43:08 GMT -5
If I am to make a list from the beginning of my presence in this forum about the stupidity of its members, you are definitely making the top of it. Would you tell me the old name of Constantsa, for instance? This one for starters, later on we go on with the main menu. And a Bulgarian Empire one or two is not a joke but a historic fact that your jealous Daco-Roman lol arse can not handle.
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Post by Anittas on Sept 6, 2011 17:43:14 GMT -5
Because we are natives. Vlachs are mentioned in the 11th century (or perhaps 10th century) because they entered the political arena in the region with a new Romance language that deviated from Eastern Roman. However, they had their roots in the region as local Thracians and to some extent, Dacians. We are not unique in this regard. Albanians are native to the region as well, as are most of the Greeks.
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Post by Catcher in the Rye on Sept 6, 2011 17:43:20 GMT -5
I was talking about Romania and I have videos on my phone for that. Don't play dumb. Your reply sounds like you are 5-6 year old. I can find you third world images in any country on this planet except Monaco and Vatican. But I prefer to search beautiful and good things unlike some garbage eating nomad descendants.
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Post by Anittas on Sept 6, 2011 17:45:43 GMT -5
If I am to make a list from the beginning of my presence in this forum about the stupidity of its members, you are definitely making the top of it. Would you tell me the old name of Constantsa, for instance? This one for starters, later on we go on with the main menu. And a Bulgarian Empire one or two is not a joke but a historic fact that your jealous Daco-Roman lol arse can not handle. Welcome back, Ruse. I knew it was you. You use the British spelling for ass (arse), offensive words such as "shagging" and the humor is in syntax with your style. But why not under rusebg? Oh, and your dislike for AofG (Cather...).
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Post by elemag on Sept 6, 2011 17:46:52 GMT -5
You are still in the 6th grade when your history teachers tell you that you are Latin surrounded by Slavs and Hungarians? You are unigue in one aspect - you are the only country that almost completely changed its vocabulary and even today most of its population has to study by heart the names of different palces in order to remember them because no natiive has a clue what they mean. Yeah, unique to the bone.
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Post by elemag on Sept 6, 2011 17:48:22 GMT -5
Any other Bulgarian you have missed, Mr Holmes? Yup, he is British too.
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Post by Anittas on Sept 6, 2011 17:49:02 GMT -5
Ruse, that's not entirely true. Our capital, as well as many of our other cities, are of Romanian origin. Calm down, Thracian brother. You're good.
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Post by elemag on Sept 6, 2011 17:49:54 GMT -5
lol
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Post by Catcher in the Rye on Sept 6, 2011 17:56:46 GMT -5
Because we are natives. Vlachs are mentioned in the 11th century (or perhaps 10th century) because they entered the political arena in the region with a new Romance language that deviated from Eastern Roman. However, they had their roots in the region as local Thracians and to some extent, Dacians. We are not unique in this regard. Albanians are native to the region as well, as are most of the Greeks. It's as simply as the fact that the term Vlach imposed itself in the Xth century, before that we were simply known as Romans. It has something to do with the reconquest of the Balkans by the Greeks who called themselves Romans that the term Vlach begun being prefered to call the Latinophones. We can see in Constantine VII Porphyrogennetos - De Administrando Imperio (Xth century) he mentions the Latinophone of the Balkans under the name of Romans (while he calls the Greks - Romei) and wrote the they are descendants of Roman colonists etc. Shortly after that the term Vlach was first mentioned.
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Post by Anittas on Sept 6, 2011 18:08:34 GMT -5
Good addition, Cather. And in fact, some early sources still referred to us as Romans (some even as Dacians, but that had geographical references rather than identity).
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Post by Catcher in the Rye on Sept 6, 2011 18:10:55 GMT -5
If I am to make a list from the beginning of my presence in this forum about the stupidity of its members, you are definitely making the top of it. Would you tell me the old name of Constantsa, for instance? This one for starters, later on we go on with the main menu. And a Bulgarian Empire one or two is not a joke but a historic fact that your jealous Daco-Roman lol arse can not handle. Constanţa used to be named Tomis for a long time. It was established by Greek Colonists some 800 years before Christ. Sometimes in the IVth century AD it gained the name Constantiana after the wife of Constantine the Great. It looks like the name endured to this day proving the continuity of the local ancient population which evolved into Romanians. That's not the only ancient place name that survived in the area, Dârstor, the ancient Durostorum (called by it's Asiatic ocupiers- Silistra) is another example.
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Post by Sokol on Sept 6, 2011 19:00:30 GMT -5
They sent not a single Jew to be killed. They played delaying tactics. For this, specifically, they deserve credit. Actually, the Bulgarians sent about 7,000 Macedonian Jews to the gas chambers in WWII... www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10006804
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 6, 2011 23:56:49 GMT -5
Yes, you guys were our bitches for centuries. interestingly we do not look like japanese... ps talking about b1tches, bulgarian women have been ... dominating the balkan sex markets for quite some time.... nice, small and obedient just like the ..... old bolgars... ha ha ha
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Post by ivo on Sept 7, 2011 8:52:38 GMT -5
If you're going to attempt to stain Bulgaria's history, at least do your research. The Jews that were deported from Macedonia wouldn't have been if San Stefano Bulgaria remained, or if Macedonia had remained in its rightful place united with Bulgaria. At the time you speak of, those lands were considered Nazi lands (ie. German lands). Bulgaria didn't have full and final authority of the region yet, and was forced to abide by what Germany wanted. Furthermore, the Bulgarian Jews were rescued by the Bulgarian people themselves. It was people from all walks of life that stood up for them, and the patriarch of the Bulgarian church had a a lot to do with it. Though the Bulgarian Jews were integrated into Bulgarian society so well, something that couldn't have been seen anywhere else in Europe, that there were Bulgarian Jews in the Bulgarian Nazi armies. There were Jews who wore the Bulgarian Nazi uniform and were in no way discriminated. They were treated as full and complete equals of any other Bulgarian. Anyway, when Hitler found out that there were Jews serving in the Bulgarian Nazi armies, some of whom held high ranking positions, he was not too happy. So as the war progressed, these Jews were transferred to serve in labor camps. And if you read their historic accounts, you'll see that these people were still proud Bulgarians. The Bulgarian Jews understood Bulgaria's position, and they loved Macedonia as any other Bulgarian. They did not blame Bulgaria or the Bulgarian people for the sanctions placed against them, they understood that Bulgaria had no other choice when it came to liberating the oppressed Bulgarian population in Macedonia. Read this book if you'd like, it's a rather extensive depiction of the whole situation. It has been written by a Bulgarian Jew. Beyond Hitler's Grasp: The Heroic Rescue of Bulgaria's Jews Michael Bar-Zohar (Author)www.amazon.com/Beyond-Hitlers-Grasp-Heroic-Bulgarias/dp/1580620604Hell, there are still Bulgarian Jew neighborhoods in Israel, Bulgarian Jew soccer teams, stores with Bulgarian signs etc. So if you're gonna talk smack, do try to do your full research.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 7, 2011 9:31:56 GMT -5
^^^ stfu aziz... and pls write less lines... are we supposed to read all this bs just to rape you again??
pls make it easier for all of us aziz ...
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Post by ivo on Sept 7, 2011 9:47:09 GMT -5
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Post by elemag on Sept 7, 2011 14:13:42 GMT -5
Oh, has it? Don't be shy, my friend, add the name of Kyustendzha that lasted for about 500 years while the city was under Bulgarian rule. Btw, what continuity of local polpulation you are dreaming about? The city had always been populated by Bulgarians mostly until about 100 years ago when it suddenly and undeservedly fell under Romanian rule and the Romanian governments did their best to settle people from places all over Romania in order to change the ethnic composition of the population. Are you sure your grandgrandparents didn't come from Satu Mare or Timisoara?
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