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Post by terroreign on Mar 15, 2011 15:18:33 GMT -5
Men, women, thoughts? Is this justified?
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Post by terroreign on Mar 15, 2011 18:34:36 GMT -5
Similarly in Crete
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Post by uz on Mar 15, 2011 23:41:26 GMT -5
Krivo, when is killing justified? If you think at all that it is.
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Post by terroreign on Mar 15, 2011 23:55:42 GMT -5
Krivo, when is killing justified? If you think at all that it is. did you watch the clip? do you find it right? why or why not? |
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Post by uz on Mar 16, 2011 0:41:44 GMT -5
Why not kill him tho?
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Post by terroreign on Mar 16, 2011 0:46:08 GMT -5
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Post by uz on Mar 16, 2011 0:48:20 GMT -5
The guy who beat her.
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Post by emer on Mar 16, 2011 9:24:30 GMT -5
The bread was probably symbolic for something. The video in Crete was even worse. So very Greek to literally stab someone in the back, at least the Montenegrin guy killed her in front of her face. Anyway honor killings are dumb, that's why we have these things called laws now.
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Post by uz on Mar 16, 2011 14:15:37 GMT -5
she cheated on her husband ... she was a kurva, she was treated as one. But why all this thing with the bread? I think the guy who sleept with her should have been killed too. That's what I am saying. Kill the guy too. But from what I understood from the video, it was one way. Was it consensual? |
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Post by terroreign on Mar 16, 2011 14:32:43 GMT -5
she cheated on her husband ... she was a kurva, she was treated as one. But why all this thing with the bread? I think the guy who sleept with her should have been killed too. When she placed the bread on her head, she said basically "take as offering this bread of my disgrace" Meaning I think he's supposed to eat the bread after the deed is done. Still happens around the world though, in Iraq and Afganistan stonings and stuff of disgraceful women happen often. Just about 6 or 7 years ago a relative of mine (Vasojevici from Berane) went to jail for a revenge killing. |
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Post by uz on Mar 16, 2011 14:35:14 GMT -5
Revenge killing is most common amongst Albanians and Montenegrins.
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Post by uz on Mar 16, 2011 14:36:09 GMT -5
The bread was probably symbolic for something. The video in Crete was even worse. So very Greek to literally stab someone in the back, at least the Montenegrin guy killed her in front of her face. Anyway honor killings are dumb, that's why we have these things called laws now. Laws do not stop people from doing what they really want to do. |
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Post by uz on Mar 16, 2011 14:43:52 GMT -5
Krivos,
I was never aware of this type of "honor" killing amongst Montes.
Where did the idea of this method come from?
Was it a previous King or leader?
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Post by terroreign on Mar 16, 2011 14:47:25 GMT -5
there's an unwritten code called "Cojstvo i Junastvo", and didn't come from any king or ruler...in fact it was always the rulers who wanted to destroy it or at least control it. It came from the people, the tribes
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Post by uz on Mar 16, 2011 14:48:24 GMT -5
Was this girl raped? OR did she cheat on her husband willingly?
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Post by terroreign on Mar 16, 2011 14:53:29 GMT -5
it's assumed willingly, rape in traditional montenegro is an unknown concept (wives generally are kidnapped from other villages, by tradition).
So once a woman enters your household, in order to keep your household pure, and by that your honor intact, you must exorcize the household of disgrace, in this case the woman.
The man who had an affair with her is not of his concern, being outside of the household he does not bring dishonor to his household.
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Post by uz on Mar 16, 2011 14:55:42 GMT -5
I don't agree at all with this concept of "honour".
If she was raped, it is up the husband to avenge her. This is the honour I know of. It is the husband's responsibility to protect his household and everything in it and a part of it. Not kill her, for being a victim.
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Post by emer on Mar 16, 2011 14:59:23 GMT -5
The bread was probably symbolic for something. The video in Crete was even worse. So very Greek to literally stab someone in the back, at least the Montenegrin guy killed her in front of her face. Anyway honor killings are dumb, that's why we have these things called laws now. Laws do not stop people from doing what they really want to do. Of course they don't, but what they do is provide regulations, so if the law was forced in Montenegro and Crete they won't kill these women for cheating on their husbands. |
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Post by terroreign on Mar 16, 2011 14:59:33 GMT -5
Like I said, conventional rape is unheard of in traditional montenegro. A man would instead kidnap her and marry her if he wanted to pursue sexual relations. He would not kidnap a married woman because that brings an entire tribe upon him in vengeance, and can make it an inter-tribal war.
Instead, they knew each other from before, and it's that simple.
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Post by emer on Mar 16, 2011 15:01:19 GMT -5
she cheated on her husband ... she was a kurva, she was treated as one. But why all this thing with the bread? I think the guy who sleept with her should have been killed too. When she placed the bread on her head, she said basically "take as offering this bread of my disgrace" Meaning I think he's supposed to eat the bread after the deed is done. Still happens around the world though, in Iraq and Afganistan stonings and stuff of disgraceful women happen often. Just about 6 or 7 years ago a relative of mine (Vasojevici from Berane) went to jail for a revenge killing. Just because it happens it doesn't make it right. This doesn't happen in Albania by the way, maybe in the north it does though. |
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