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Post by terroreign on Mar 16, 2011 21:56:13 GMT -5
And now for another stupid question If the man she had sex with was her husband's friend would he consider that betrayal and kill them both? The woman would make the bread, and the friend would crawl on all fours with a rifle handing from his neck and kiss his boots.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Mar 16, 2011 21:58:32 GMT -5
Weddings in the modern sense haven't been around that long, what you may speak of as ancient are pagan ceremonies. The type of wedding you speak of is very similar to a sikh tradition. Gypsy men also perform the act of Grabbing their women. The kidnapping and marriage thing happened in Turkey too, but not in modern times. I never said I was against weddings, I repeat, I am not against weddings.
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Post by kijgol on Mar 16, 2011 22:02:43 GMT -5
Not really, weddings are just modern symbolic ceremonies that celebrate the joining of two people, usually involving blessings and/or investment. Do you know of any other types? You try to justify a premeditated murder by quoting custom of a culture, how "admirable". What's modern about it? It's been going on since ancient times. Another type is the Montenegrin kind. A woman from one village is kidnapped at night by a man of another, and carried over his shoulder to his home and made prepared to be wed. The next day a wedding ceremony begins and he makes love to her on a full moon. *howls* ;D I created a thread on this subject a while ago on Illyria boards in the Albanian section. I always found this custom interesting.
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Post by SKORIC on Mar 16, 2011 22:13:40 GMT -5
Revenge is such a waste of time. Desire quit acting so innocent....women have been f*cking men over since Adam and Eve days lol lol
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Post by terroreign on Mar 16, 2011 22:15:36 GMT -5
What's modern about it? It's been going on since ancient times. Another type is the Montenegrin kind. A woman from one village is kidnapped at night by a man of another, and carried over his shoulder to his home and made prepared to be wed. The next day a wedding ceremony begins and he makes love to her on a full moon. *howls* ;D I created a thread on this subject a while ago on Illyria boards in the Albanian section. I always found this custom interesting. Honor killings/Blood revenge, or Kidnapping brides?
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Post by terroreign on Mar 16, 2011 22:20:25 GMT -5
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Post by emer on Mar 16, 2011 22:22:26 GMT -5
Not really, weddings are just modern symbolic ceremonies that celebrate the joining of two people, usually involving blessings and/or investment. Do you know of any other types? You try to justify a premeditated murder by quoting custom of a culture, how "admirable". What's modern about it? It's been going on since ancient times. Another type is the Montenegrin kind. A woman from one village is kidnapped at night by a man of another, and carried over his shoulder to his home and made prepared to be wed. The next day a wedding ceremony begins and he makes love to her on a full moon. *howls* ;D What if the moon is only half full? hahahaha Montenegro sounds really backwards. The Turks not invading you did more harm than good it seems.
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Post by kijgol on Mar 16, 2011 22:31:23 GMT -5
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Post by terroreign on Mar 16, 2011 22:35:34 GMT -5
What's modern about it? It's been going on since ancient times. Another type is the Montenegrin kind. A woman from one village is kidnapped at night by a man of another, and carried over his shoulder to his home and made prepared to be wed. The next day a wedding ceremony begins and he makes love to her on a full moon. *howls* ;D What if the moon is only half full? hahahaha Montenegro sounds really backwards. The Turks not invading you did more harm than good it seems. Then that's a sign of the Turks! And if you make love then your head must come off! ;D It's just an old custom which kind of makes sense from a logical standpoint: people lived in small areas of land that they rarely left; the land was ran by their tribe and most women were too closely related to marry so they would scout out and kidnap one outside of the tribe. Most of my great-great grandmothers were kidnapped, we even have a song about one that my family sings. ;D
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Post by uz on Mar 17, 2011 21:33:15 GMT -5
What are some other examples of - Montenegrin honour code.
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Post by terroreign on Mar 17, 2011 22:24:04 GMT -5
Resolving a blood feud
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Post by terroreign on Mar 17, 2011 22:26:33 GMT -5
Here's my favorite one, great old Marko Miljanov!
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Post by nilofer on Mar 19, 2011 13:52:42 GMT -5
About the video: did the woman willingly sleep with another man or...? I'm a little confused, because one writes something about the other man forcing himself upon her, someone else writes that isn't the case...what is it? It makes a massive difference afterall...
I personally think infidelity (not rape) should be classified as a crime that people can be punished for committing. I don't think having affairs are "personal matters", especially not in today's society. People often break up over infidelity and end up getting social worksers involved (in connection with child custody, new housing etc.), extra financial aids by the council - paid by the tax-payers - and so on. You can't involve society in your problems, then call your problem "private" and expect society to butt out of "your business".
All of that^ is alongside all the emotional damage infidelity causes (also to the kids one may have put into this world) - and maybe all the expenses society, again, must take on to look after an emotionally devastated person. Having worked in a psychiatric facility I saw too many people, especially women, end up in such a facility over cheating partner's deeds. I've never understood how anyone can do that so another person...
However, I don't at all agree with the concept of "honour" killing. The act is often committed upon empty rumours or accusations with no justifications behind them towards someone. That's just pure evil...
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Post by uz on Mar 19, 2011 16:15:56 GMT -5
I don't think anyones infidelity in a relationship is anyone's concern to begin with.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Mar 19, 2011 16:35:51 GMT -5
About the video: did the woman willingly sleep with another man or...? I'm a little confused, because one writes something about the other man forcing himself upon her, someone else writes that isn't the case...what is it? It makes a massive difference afterall... I personally think infidelity (not rape) should be classified as a crime that people can be punished for committing. I don't think having affairs are "personal matters", especially not in today's society. People often break up over infidelity and end up getting social worksers involved (in connection with child custody, new housing etc.), extra financial aids by the council - paid by the tax-payers - and so on. You can't involve society in your problems, then call your problem "private" and expect society to butt out of "your business". All of that^ is alongside all the emotional damage infidelity causes (also to the kids one may have put into this world) - and maybe all the expenses society, again, must take on to look after an emotionally devastated person. Having worked in a psychiatric facility I saw too many people, especially women, end up in such a facility over cheating partner's deeds. I've never understood how anyone can do that so another person... However, I don't at all agree with the concept of "honour" killing. The act is often committed upon empty rumours or accusations with no justifications behind them towards someone. That's just pure evil... I don't think it concerns anybody who does what. Nilo if you say that adultery should be classed as a crime, then more tax payers money will go into the process of investigating it and enforcing the punishment etc...I think it is something that should be sorted out by the people involved. If you make it a criminal offense then how will the people reconcile if thats what they wish to do? All i know is... people need to deal with their own problems, not with crime (honour killings) nor with the state involved, unless they are getting a divorce.
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Post by nilofer on Mar 20, 2011 6:32:44 GMT -5
I don't think it concerns anybody who does what. I would agree with that if there were no negative consequences of infidelity that fall into society's responsibility to take care of. But that's not the case so I think society has a right to butt in and make laws about these matters. Maybe it was a bit wrong to say cheaters need to be punished, because it's not really my opinion that cheaters should go to jail (for instance). I just want cheaters to be given some responsibility for their actions that they need to stick to. I think the final bill for ^all of those expenses is to be paid for by the person who's cheated. As part of his/her "punishment". I don't think cheaters should go to jail, as mentioned, I just think they just need to have some obligations and responsibilities forced upon them by law. By that, I mean that they should be "forced" to pay some sort of compensation to the person they've cheated on - and the ekstra expenses the victim might have gotten as a result of the cheater's actions. And obviously "forced" to see their children regularly and financially support them, if they've got any of those. They should be monitored to make sure they keep up with their obligations, and if they don't, then, perhaps, jail would be a solution. I'm mostly concerned about cheating when there're kids involved. A lot of people, when they split, stop being parents and they get away with it because they can. It's too easy to put kids into this world and then neglect all responsibility towards them - especially men do it too much. In the end it's the kids who miss out and are affected by it, and that's not fair - they never asked to be born, didn't choose their parents and certainly didn't choose their circumstances. It's not a fun game to play with peoples' lives like that, and the law should really implement laws that makes it hard for people to not take responsibility for their actions. I can't get away with robbing a bank, why should some low-life scumbag get away with breeding 5 children by 5 different women, that peoples' tax-paid money support? No, thanks. Make the men pay themselves! It's their screw-up afterall, not everyone else's. If they want to reconcile then that should be allowed, of course. I just think that people who want to see justice should have the opportunity to see it happen - those who don't, are free to not to report anything.
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Post by terroreign on Mar 21, 2011 2:58:03 GMT -5
About the video: did the woman willingly sleep with another man or...? I'm a little confused, because one writes something about the other man forcing himself upon her, someone else writes that isn't the case...what is it? It makes a massive difference afterall... I personally think infidelity (not rape) should be classified as a crime that people can be punished for committing. I don't think having affairs are "personal matters", especially not in today's society. People often break up over infidelity and end up getting social worksers involved (in connection with child custody, new housing etc.), extra financial aids by the council - paid by the tax-payers - and so on. You can't involve society in your problems, then call your problem "private" and expect society to butt out of "your business". All of that^ is alongside all the emotional damage infidelity causes (also to the kids one may have put into this world) - and maybe all the expenses society, again, must take on to look after an emotionally devastated person. Having worked in a psychiatric facility I saw too many people, especially women, end up in such a facility over cheating partner's deeds. I've never understood how anyone can do that so another person... However, I don't at all agree with the concept of "honour" killing. The act is often committed upon empty rumours or accusations with no justifications behind them towards someone. That's just pure evil... Nilofer, the woman definitely wasn't raped but unwisely chose infidelity while her husband was out working. Now is it more right to leave the judgement of this act to the government and courts, or to the couple themselves? That's where I believe the government has no right mixing.
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Post by nilofer on Mar 21, 2011 4:55:44 GMT -5
So if someone chooses to deal with an unfaithful spouse by killing that person, that's alright? I think it's a bit dangerous to let people judge for themselves what the consequences for cheating should be...
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Post by uz on Mar 21, 2011 15:05:18 GMT -5
^ Why not just leave the person who cheated? Or at least cheat back.
This thread became stupid.
It's divided between; Traditional/Religious fundamentalists and today's "modern thinking". - This isn't going anywhere, it all depends on the environment you live in.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Mar 21, 2011 20:51:19 GMT -5
yes this thread now officially sucks,,, I blame Krivo.
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