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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Mar 16, 2011 21:16:38 GMT -5
I don't even consider that a serious question.
Even if a mans wife cheats she is not a whore, there are so many different elements to the situation.
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Post by uz on Mar 16, 2011 21:18:53 GMT -5
I am referring to the video. Everyone here is beating around the bush. No one is giving a straight answer.
Apparently to some, if a man successfully forces himself unto someone;s wife, this wife becomes shunned down and deserves to die. For being the victim?
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Mar 16, 2011 21:21:31 GMT -5
I think i am being pretty clear.
This is why I dislike this subject.
This type of tradition is retarded, backwards, ignorant, disrespectful and male run. Anyone that thinks a women deserves to die for being raped/cheating is an absolute wa.nker.
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Post by uz on Mar 16, 2011 21:23:23 GMT -5
I am trying so fucking hard, to find out what is basis behind this. A no one from this background seems to have an answer.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Mar 16, 2011 21:24:44 GMT -5
Do they have to have an answer?
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Post by uz on Mar 16, 2011 21:26:46 GMT -5
I guess.^
That video really disturbed me. Which is why it seems I may have gone on an EMOTIONAL rant.
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Post by terroreign on Mar 16, 2011 21:27:03 GMT -5
Shejtani - I doubt that was an instance of blood revenge, because he killed the two brothers. If so it would cause 2 vendettas against him, once one is carried out on him, the other would eventually be brought down on his closest male relative. "A Montenegrin male, and to a far lesser extent a Montenegrin female, had to take into consideration the possibility of starting a feud whenever he asserted himself in such a way as to impugn seriously the honor of another person. While offering insults was an expected mode of maintaining honor, he also knew that his stronger provocations might get him killed. In the eyes of the tribe, this was exactly what made aggressive behavior commendable in many contexts. Thus, in any verbal dispute, a miscalculation in any direction could harm a person's honor if he were to give the appearance of being 'trampled underfoot'; but a serious miscalculation in an aggressive direction could get him killed."- Blood revenge, the enactment and management of conflict in Montenegro books.google.se/books?id=oq4B2WGT9mYC&pg=PA159&vq=%22As+a+self-assertive+Montenegrin+warrior,+then,+a+ man's+mission+was+to+maximize+his+own+ reputation+and+honor+at+the+same%22& source=gbs_quotes_r&cad=7#v=onepage&q=honor&f=false
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Post by terroreign on Mar 16, 2011 21:30:39 GMT -5
uz you have trouble comprehending because you have a fixed notion in your head that she was raped. We are telling you that this just does not happen in that part of the world.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Mar 16, 2011 21:30:41 GMT -5
Thats why I didn't watch the video.
Blood feuds and honour killings n all of that weirdness needs to stop asap.
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Post by terroreign on Mar 16, 2011 21:32:03 GMT -5
Weddings, religion, capital punishment, law and order, it's all weird to you, so why should we take you seriously?
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Mar 16, 2011 21:32:05 GMT -5
Krivo, rape happens in every part of the world, how could u be so ignorant?
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Post by uz on Mar 16, 2011 21:32:52 GMT -5
Krivos, I understand this happens everywhere.
I just don't understand the justification. On top of that. I don;t see any honor at all behind it.
Lastly I had no fucking clue that this "honor" code existed in Montenegro.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Mar 16, 2011 21:34:22 GMT -5
Weddings, religion, capital punishment, law and order, it's all weird to you, so why should we take you seriously? No, honour killings and blood feuds are weird to me. The fact that they are "normal" for you, is also weird for me. I don't find anything weird about wedding, religion, capital punishment, or law n order. Nobody has to take anybody seriously.... if u don't feel it, don't lol
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Post by terroreign on Mar 16, 2011 21:35:06 GMT -5
You're conveying false understanding, what do you in fact know about social norms in Montenegro and Albania?
You don't see me making blanketing statements about the nuances in turkish life do you?
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Mar 16, 2011 21:37:24 GMT -5
Murder in the name of "honour" is not specific to bloody Albania and Montenegro.
It is a global issue... a point you have trouble comprehending.
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Post by terroreign on Mar 16, 2011 21:38:01 GMT -5
Krivos, I understand this happens everywhere. I just don't understand the justification. On top of that. I don;t see any honor at all behind it. Lastly I had no f**king clue that this "honor" code existed in Montenegro. she had consensual sex with another man. she betrayed her husband, the man she did it with didn't betray him so he kill her. Understand? Yes. I like.
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Post by terroreign on Mar 16, 2011 21:41:47 GMT -5
Murder in the name of "honour" is not specific to bloody Albania and Montenegro. It is a global issue... a point you have trouble comprehending. It seems to pass over your cute turkish head that customs differ in every society. Everyone has weddings, so since I'm familiar with Serbian wedding tradition it makes me qualified to speak on behalf of Indonesian wedding customs? For all I know Indonesian weddings occur with a man and 4 women, at midnight while swimming. The cause, method and outcome are all different.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Mar 16, 2011 21:45:26 GMT -5
Not really, weddings are just modern symbolic ceremonies that celebrate the joining of two people, usually involving blessings and/or investment. Do you know of any other types? You try to justify a premeditated murder by quoting custom of a culture, how "admirable".
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Post by emer on Mar 16, 2011 21:45:53 GMT -5
And now for another stupid question If the man she had sex with was her husband's friend would he consider that betrayal and kill them both?
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Post by terroreign on Mar 16, 2011 21:54:43 GMT -5
Not really, weddings are just modern symbolic ceremonies that celebrate the joining of two people, usually involving blessings and/or investment. Do you know of any other types? You try to justify a premeditated murder by quoting custom of a culture, how "admirable". What's modern about it? It's been going on since ancient times. Another type is the Montenegrin kind. A woman from one village is kidnapped at night by a man of another, and carried over his shoulder to his home and made prepared to be wed. The next day a wedding ceremony begins and he makes love to her on a full moon. *howls* ;D
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