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Post by SKORIC on Mar 22, 2011 6:56:55 GMT -5
I blame you all ;D
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Post by terroreign on Mar 23, 2011 23:33:45 GMT -5
uz it's divided between values/morals, and self-righteous bullsh*t.
Sadly the "modern world" has become chock-full of the latter.
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Post by nilofer on Mar 27, 2011 4:13:43 GMT -5
^ Why not just leave the person who cheated? Or at least cheat back. Because cheating is not such an insignificant and small matter that only deserves the attention of being "left" like that. And why should one degrade oneself by doing such a stupid, disgusting act as well? How is that going to help the situation? A partner who cheats on you probably cares for you so little anyway that you cheating too does nothing to him/her - he/she couldn't care less that you do it. What have you gained then? Nothing else than a mistake you regret... And Krivosanin, I agree with you. It's like if you have a stanze or opinion on anything in this society that is out of the norm you're some kind of weirdo, oldfashioned and ridiculous person. Apparently it's better to not have any beliefs and opinions on anything...just follow the crowd and do what they do, then you're good  . No thanks... |
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Post by emer on Mar 27, 2011 6:19:14 GMT -5
Some people deserve to be cheated on because they tolerate it and blame the person who their "partner" is cheating with....people only treat you as badly as you allow them. Not that I think people are meant to be monogamous especially not men...it's not natural. Then again this is one of those things that we can't blame on that because unlike animals people have reason...ability to think....few use it though. Killing someone for cheating is still going a little too far but I can understand where the honor part comes in....if she got pregnant he probably wouldn't want to raise another man's child. It all goes back to property and inheritance, that's why women were more scorned for cheating then men, because they didn't want to leave their inheritance to someone who basically wasn't their own blood.
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Post by nilofer on Mar 27, 2011 7:21:00 GMT -5
Some people deserve to be cheated on because they tolerate it and blame the person who their "partner" is cheating with....people only treat you as badly as you allow them. I totally agree. You obviously can't prevent someone from cheating on you, but you can kick the cheating partner to the curb immediately and prevent it from happening one more time - or 100. But yeah, I never understood this either; how a person can still be with someone who's cheated on them, and even forgiving them for it, while "the other man/woman" is the only scape goat in the infidelity matter. That's stupid... I think it is natural. I find polygamy extremely unnatural and repulsive, I seriously don't udnerstand how a person doesn't get physically ill just by the thought of multiple penises and vaginas. Gross! I really only hear insecure people or/and people who don't want to stay monogomous say it's not natural to stick to one person. It's just an excuse to hore around. there's something severely wrong with you if you lack the ability to keep it in your pants/keeping your legs closed. I think animals have more reason than humans and make better decisions as well. Most animals are actually very selective about their partners, humans aren't. People have no standard at all anymore, they just screw whatever offers itself on a used, dirty plastic plate and that's, apparently, "natural" and "reasonable". |
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Post by emer on Mar 27, 2011 17:58:16 GMT -5
I never meant to insult animals, but they don't have reason, they act purely on instinct and this makes them higher than humans because we have the ability of reasoning but don't always use it. For example, some humans are instinctly attracted to someone with large breasts or large hips even if they have attractive partners. An animal can be forgiven for straying, if you will, but not the human person.
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Post by terroreign on May 31, 2011 17:22:19 GMT -5
BUMPERS
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Post by terroreign on Jun 12, 2011 14:17:11 GMT -5
BUMP
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Post by Anittas on Oct 3, 2011 8:05:30 GMT -5
Bump -- because Krivo is a bummer. This kind of tradition has no place in Europe, or in the world. Maybe you should join Vanillo, the Taleban bitch, you fvcking patriarchal piece of shyt! If I knew you were a bloody Christian Taleban I wouldn't have been so friendly with you! And all this BS pride talk about your tribes. They look like savages, anyway. You guys need books, not swords. Stupid Montenegrins and your lameass, poor culture.
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Post by missanthropology58 on Oct 3, 2011 8:22:09 GMT -5
If a man cheats nothing happens if a woman cheats she gets stoned to death and people wonder why they say they hate Islam.
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Post by terroreign on Oct 3, 2011 21:09:28 GMT -5
Bump -- because Krivo is a bummer. This kind of tradition has no place in Europe, or in the world. Maybe you should join Vanillo, the Taleban bitch, you fvcking patriarchal piece of shyt! If I knew you were a bloody Christian Taleban I wouldn't have been so friendly with you! And all this BS pride talk about your tribes. They look like savages, anyway. You guys need books, not swords. Stupid Montenegrins and your lameass, poor culture. annitas you misunderstood my stance, i neither condone nor condemn this practice as i clarified earlier in the thread. but who are you to say what belongs in europe, let alone the world? this mindset is precisely what's raping the diversity and morals of this planet.... |
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Post by uz on Oct 3, 2011 21:24:13 GMT -5
Bump -- because Krivo is a bummer. This kind of tradition has no place in Europe, or in the world. Maybe you should join Vanillo, the Taleban bitch, you fvcking patriarchal piece of shyt! If I knew you were a bloody Christian Taleban I wouldn't have been so friendly with you! And all this BS pride talk about your tribes. They look like savages, anyway. You guys need books, not swords. Stupid Montenegrins and your lameass, poor culture. It's funny how you call out Krivo for being an extremist, yet you just came off here as being an equal extremist on the other end of the spectrum. |
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Post by Anittas on Oct 3, 2011 22:18:58 GMT -5
I didn't say he was an extremist. I was saying he is destructive, if not evil. Yes, I am an extremist in the sense that I believe individual freedom* must be defended with the sword: anywhere and everywhere and I wouldn't want anyone to think otherwise.
Kristo, I misunderstood nothing. I did read when you said that you neither condone the practice, nor condemn it. To remain passive and neutral when it comes to violence--or as in this case--violence against women, is pretty much to condone it, if only indirectly. Don't give me that BS that this is something that can be viewed from different perspectives and so on. That's a cheap argument and only fools would buy into it.
This kind of stuff is happening in countries like Iran, where women are stoned to death for committing adultery.
*As for the definition of what is individual freedom, I don't feel like philosophizing too much, but you know what I mean, so don't try to find loopholes in my argument in order to have me contradict myself. I'm obviously not talking about the individual freedom of not being recorded by a shop camera in public.
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Post by Anittas on Oct 3, 2011 22:22:46 GMT -5
"but who are you to say what belongs in europe, let alone the world? this mindset is precisely what's raping the diversity and morals of this planet...."
You want each and one of us to determine his own morals and ruled to abide by? I believe Nietzsche was arguing for that (Ol' Uz is an expert in Nietzsche's philosophy, he can elaborate on this if you ask him). If this is what you ask for, then cool. Let each and one of us decide for himself, including the woman. If she decides one day to betray her partner, then that's that. End the relationship, but don't use violence or other restrictive means against her. I'm glad we agree, Krivo!
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Post by Moe Lester on Oct 4, 2011 3:26:59 GMT -5
Honour killings? That sounds kinda medieval.
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Post by missanthropology58 on Oct 4, 2011 10:39:39 GMT -5
Yeah that's what Muslims do when a woman is meant to be cheating even though half the time they have no real proof. Usually when a man cheats in the Muslim world he usually gets commended and a pat on the back. The only thing that awful religion is good for is killing blood sucking Zogs IMO
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Post by terroreign on Oct 5, 2011 14:57:33 GMT -5
I didn't say he was an extremist. I was saying he is destructive, if not evil. Yes, I am an extremist in the sense that I believe individual freedom* must be defended with the sword: anywhere and everywhere and I wouldn't want anyone to think otherwise. Kristo, I misunderstood nothing. I did read when you said that you neither condone the practice, nor condemn it. To remain passive and neutral when it comes to violence--or as in this case--violence against women, is pretty much to condone it, if only indirectly. Don't give me that BS that this is something that can be viewed from different perspectives and so on. That's a cheap argument and only fools would buy into it. This kind of stuff is happening in countries like Iran, where women are stoned to death for committing adultery. *As for the definition of what is individual freedom, I don't feel like philosophizing too much, but you know what I mean, so don't try to find loopholes in my argument in order to have me contradict myself. I'm obviously not talking about the individual freedom of not being recorded by a shop camera in public. you staunchly (and even violently?) defend individual freedom yet you neglect my individual freedom of speech by crudely accusing and insulting me. morals is a convenient term for practices/ideas deemed acceptable by a society. you and i existing in different societies can probably find some fundamental things we don't do or think about in the same way... i don't have the desire nor the time to give you a detailed explanation of what cultural relativism is but an obvious example would be: certain cultures of africa when a woman reaches maturity the elders of the tribe get a razor and cut off the young woman's clitoris. much of the time they use broken glass and infections often occur. this is female circumcision. this may sound utterly disgusting and barbaric to you, being a white western "enlightened" male, however your society does this too. just with little boys. male circumcision is more painful since babies are more sensitive and studies show that such an act so early in a baby's childhood causes trauma and later psychological pain. with that said, who are you to judge? |
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Post by Anittas on Oct 5, 2011 15:25:53 GMT -5
I didn't say he was an extremist. I was saying he is destructive, if not evil. Yes, I am an extremist in the sense that I believe individual freedom* must be defended with the sword: anywhere and everywhere and I wouldn't want anyone to think otherwise. Kristo, I misunderstood nothing. I did read when you said that you neither condone the practice, nor condemn it. To remain passive and neutral when it comes to violence--or as in this case--violence against women, is pretty much to condone it, if only indirectly. Don't give me that BS that this is something that can be viewed from different perspectives and so on. That's a cheap argument and only fools would buy into it. This kind of stuff is happening in countries like Iran, where women are stoned to death for committing adultery. *As for the definition of what is individual freedom, I don't feel like philosophizing too much, but you know what I mean, so don't try to find loopholes in my argument in order to have me contradict myself. I'm obviously not talking about the individual freedom of not being recorded by a shop camera in public. you staunchly (and even violently?) defend individual freedom yet you neglect my individual freedom of speech by crudely accusing and insulting me. morals is a convenient term for practices/ideas deemed acceptable by a society. you and i existing in different societies can probably find some fundamental things we don't do or think about in the same way... i don't have the desire nor the time to give you a detailed explanation of what cultural relativism is but an obvious example would be: certain cultures of africa when a woman reaches maturity the elders of the tribe get a razor and cut off the young woman's clitoris. much of the time they use broken glass and infections often occur. this is female circumcision. this may sound utterly disgusting and barbaric to you, being a white western "enlightened" male, however your society does this too. just with little boys. male circumcision is more painful since babies are more sensitive and studies show that such an act so early in a baby's childhood causes trauma and later psychological pain. with that said, who are you to judge? You don't need to explain those things to me. I understand them very well. Yes, I have the right to judge because there is a universal sense of altruism and it lies in our nature to defend other individuals--and even other living beings--from harm and cruelty. It is a part of evolution, which overcomes any cultural relevance. One such example is cannibalism, which was practiced by several cultures but which was not deemed acceptable by "higher cultures". Your argument doesn't hold. It is weak. Only the violators or those who take a supportive or passive stand trigger the cultural argument. On the other hand, if you persist in defending the right for each culture to decide the fate of its people, I can easily argue that those people have the right to a champion. And if that champion is stronger than you, your fate might be death. And who are you to judge against the champions who decide to defend the weak? |
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Post by terroreign on Oct 5, 2011 16:08:38 GMT -5
you see therein lies the weakness of your arguement; you can't advocate individual freedom and then attempt to force a mindset onto other people. if your argument is that one can kill to defend their values, then just as easily one can die to defend their values. as does the woman in the video.
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Post by Anittas on Oct 5, 2011 21:29:29 GMT -5
you see therein lies the weakness of your arguement; you can't advocate individual freedom and then attempt to force a mindset onto other people. if your argument is that one can kill to defend their values, then just as easily one can die to defend their values. as does the woman in the video. There's no double standard. One can advoce individual freedom and force a "mindset onto other people". And one should do that. Without knowing too much about Mongtenegrins, I'd say the problem is that: 1. You are not European, and obviously not Serb;
2. You have no honor, you betrayed your benefactors, the Serbs;
3. You got no balls, you can only murder women and children. |
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