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Post by Duke John on May 10, 2013 18:03:19 GMT -5
Honestly if Turkey was ever to become a major power and dominant power for Balkans how much time would take all the 'traditional" muslim regions in Balkans to all of a sudden 'redicover' their 'Turkishness' including vast majority of Albanians. Albanians themselves were forged as a nation by western powers 100 years ago after then became landlocked from Turkish motherland at which point their muslim majority was still vehemently Ottoman in identity. Germans, Italians and Austro-Hungarians saw a need in creating a buffer antagonistic nation between and towards Serbs and Greeks that could be used for their purposes! US and UK see Turkey as potentially very 'interesting' in playing a larger role towards suppressing stronger EU (Read Germany), Russia, Iran and Arabs if needed and will eagerly give Balkans to become Turkish 'sphere of influence' and once this is to happen Balkan muslims become Turkish overnight and to be used in such situation. Therefore majority of Albanian recent ancestors were loyal Ottomans and soon enough good chances are their kids will become loyal Turks. From a nation that first appeared in 1180s after Norman invasion of todays central Albania, to subjects to Serb empire and finally Turkish empire (becoming loyal Ottomans in process) now to be used by western super-elite in disturbing Balkans to become loyal Turks very likekly! Kastriotis on the other hand was clearly of Byzantine (eastern Roman) tradition who used Greek language for his symbols and who would see nothing in common with a nation forged only 100 years ago under direct influence of then western powers composed of loyal ottoman subjects whom he vehemently fought.. In a University of California, Davis study in July 2012 regarding the geography of recent genetic ancestry across Europe the genomic data of 2,257 Europeans (including 9 samples from Albania and 15 from Kosovo),were analysed. The results of the study suggest that a "reasonable proportion of the ancestors of modern-day Albanian speakers are drawn from a relatively small, cohesive population that has persisted for at least the last 1,500 years", as the samples of the Albanian speakers exhibited the highest levels of IBD sharing. The levels of common ancestry with neighbouring groups suggest the existence of a small group rather than an isolated one. Also the "Greek samples (and to a lesser degree, the Macedonian ones) share much higher numbers of common ancestors with Albanian speakers than with other neighbors, possibly due to smaller effects of the Slavic expansion in these populations" and that the "Italians share more common ancestors with Albanian speakers than with other populations". However, the common ancestry between Albanian- and Italian speakers may reflect more recent migrations as common ancestors of the groups are found in the last 1600 years. As for the origin of the Albanian population the results of the study are consistent with the view that the Albanians "descend in large part from the Illyrians (Wilkes, 1996) who populated the eastern side of the Adriatic sea and part of modern-day Salento (Italy) during Roman times". arxiv.org/pdf/1207.3815v5.pdfRead it prick! God damn it feels good to be Illyrian/Arbans/Shqipetar/Albanian.
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Post by Kanaris on May 10, 2013 22:04:57 GMT -5
At least try to copy/paste the whole paragraph not what gets your little dick wet..
Which clearly proves that the only albanians that are truly from the balkans are the ones related to Greeks... no go play with your buick and leave us alone.
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Post by Balkaneros on May 10, 2013 22:31:25 GMT -5
"Mount Athos" is not in any written serbian history nowhere before 1800's as a matter of fact you have very little history at all pre 1800 .just a few major religious things that does not coinside with your language of today and some of Dusans laws and thats it ......(which actually consists of 3-4 texts for about 900 years) .....98% of any history writing is after 1800's and loaded with propaganda galore or better to say loaded epic poems no secular literature at all in that 900 years until the end of the 1800's so don't go lecturing us Albanian /natives of the Balkans from time immortal about our heroes and histories ...when yours are written /fabled in late 1800's -1950's and still continuing on the internet .....ahahhhahahahah
The f**k you going off on about you don't even know this (very real) sphere of Albanian history you even deny your hero his background/family history. Most albanians today mentality/identity wise especially are reminiscent of the Ottomans. They shaped you forever. When was the first Skanderbeg statue erected in Albania you have any idea, I'm curious to know.
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Post by Kanaris on May 10, 2013 22:49:22 GMT -5
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Post by Duke John on May 11, 2013 5:14:38 GMT -5
At least try to copy/paste the whole paragraph not what gets your little dick wet.. Which clearly proves that the only albanians that are truly from the balkans are the ones related to Greeks... no go play with your buick and leave us alone. I copy/pasted that thick heads like you that have no other options but goin denial to understand something. Dick does not get wet, pussy does you pussy, thats why i provided the link and said read it! Read the whole study you imbecile! The highest levels of IBD sharing are found in the Albanian-speaking individuals (from Albania and Kosovo), an increase in common ancestry deriving from the last 1,500 years. This suggests that a reasonable proportion of the ancestors of modern-day Albanian speakers are drawn from a relatively small, cohesive population that has persisted for at least the last 1,500 years. These individuals share similar numbers of common ancestors with nearby populations as do individuals in other parts of Europe, implying that the Albanian speakers have not been a particularly isolated population so much as a small one. Furthermore, our Greek samples (and to a lesser degree, the Macedonians) share much higher numbers of common ancestors with Albanian speakers than with other neighbors, possibly due to smaller eects of the Slavic expansionin these populations. The Albanian language is a Indo-European language without other close relatives(Hamp, 1966) that persisted through periods when neighboring languages were strongly in uenced by Latin or Greek. The \origin" of modern-day Albanians is contentious; it is argued for instance that they are descended in large part from the Illyrians (Wilkes, 1996) who populated the eastern side of the Adriatic sea and part of modern-day Salento (Italy) during Roman times. Our results are certainly consistent with this view, including the fact that Italians share more common ancestors with Albanian speakers than with other populations (although these ancestors are estimated to be from the last 1,500 years), so this may reflect more recent migration. This is found on a page 15.^ arxiv.org/pdf/1207.3815v1The only albanians that are from balkans? there are no other albanians you fool, no matter how hard this is for you to accept, and it does not even matter whether you do or not, i provided a solid proof and you and your kind providing nothing but self made fantasy tales, now again read the whole study and eat a big dick. As for Gjergj Kastrioti, he never said anything about him having slavic origin or a serb origin, he have mentioned Pyrrhus (raised by a Taulantis wife) and how his ancestors took part in the army of Alexander, he never mentioned some BoroMIR or GandalfoMIR from Slavolandia. And for the end, eat shit!
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Post by Duke John on May 11, 2013 5:17:21 GMT -5
Monument was inaugurated in the 1968 on the 500th anniversary of the death of Skanderbeg. Learn something BItch.
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Post by rex362 on May 11, 2013 9:12:23 GMT -5
What year was the monument of George put up in belgarde or mt Athos ??
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Post by rex362 on May 11, 2013 9:33:32 GMT -5
You srbs and grks lack this historic figure of Georgio and his deeds ,so what to do ?
Together you srbs & grks try to raise a sh!t storm of propoganda to us .....only us ...yea us Albanian about it .....ahhahahahahahahaha wtf you try to sell it to us Albs
and remember this my little propaganda makers Georgia did not fight the turks for personal revenge he fought them for his people
ALSO : there was no such enthno known as srb or grk during GEORGIO"S TIME
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Post by Kanaris on May 11, 2013 10:02:04 GMT -5
Monument was inaugurated in the 1968 on the 500th anniversary of the death of Skanderbeg. Learn something BItch. If you go through your study you will notice the word 'guess' is used randomly....hope that helps good luck in you quest to falsely history while looking for that elusive history of yours.... lol!! Oh btw way you do know that these types of tests are inconclusive and they prove nothing...
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Post by rex362 on May 11, 2013 10:05:58 GMT -5
another way I dare you srbs and grks with much fake epic history that you have .....
LETS ASK THE ENEMY OF GEORGIO WHAT GEORGIO WAS !
now brush off and go do your homework ....I will not do it for you
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Post by rex362 on May 11, 2013 10:55:18 GMT -5
for grks that can read grk ...... ![](http://i50.tinypic.com/21npctf.jpg) its says .... "The Albanian ruler AND HERO"
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Post by Balkaneros on May 11, 2013 11:09:49 GMT -5
The first statue of Skanderbeg was erected in Albania in 1968? .... hmmm... just as I suspected, quite late and right in the middle of communism.
rex you're laughing all over this thread as if you're shaking in your boots.
Albanians didn't document anything of Skanderbeg, besides your Churches and you don't like them so WTF DO YOU KNOW?
If your comprehension skills were on-par you'd realize that I myself respect Skanderbeg which is why I lose it on you fucks when you insult and spit on his legacy.
You're like those teens wearing a CHE shirt while not having a clue as to what he was about.
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Post by rex362 on May 11, 2013 11:10:38 GMT -5
Scanderbeg From Ottoman Captive to Albanian Hero Harry Hodgkinson Cooper Introduction by David Abulafia Harry Hodgkinson (1913-1994) was a writer, journalist, naval intelligence officer, Balkan expert and from 1985 Chairman of the Anglo-Albanian Association. ![](http://i43.tinypic.com/wcmsmd.jpg) This is the first biography of the Albanian national heroScanderbeg (1403-1468) published in England for more than four hundred years. The son of a prince of Albania, he was educated in the Muslim faith as a hostage at the court of Sultan Murad II and given the title bey and an army command. In 1443 Scanderbeg escaped to his homeland, abjured Islam, and formed a league of princes among the Albanian chieftains. He proclaimed himself Prince of Albania. To resist the Ottomans under Sultan Muhammad II , Scanderbeg received aid at various times from Venice, Naples, Hungary, and the pope. Written by the late Harry Hodgkinson, a former naval intelligence officer who served under Ian Fleming, this engrossing and elegantly crafted book is an attempt to bring the reader closer to this famous historical figure and to set him in the dramatic context of Albania and its history.
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Post by Balkaneros on May 11, 2013 11:11:02 GMT -5
for grks that can read grk ...... ![](http://i50.tinypic.com/21npctf.jpg) its says .... "The Albanian ruler AND HERO"yep I was right, your comprehension skills are in the shitter.
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Post by Balkaneros on May 11, 2013 11:17:32 GMT -5
Scanderbeg From Ottoman Captive to Albanian Hero Harry Hodgkinson Cooper Introduction by David Abulafia Harry Hodgkinson (1913-1994) was a writer, journalist, naval intelligence officer, Balkan expert and from 1985 Chairman of the Anglo-Albanian Association. ![](http://i43.tinypic.com/wcmsmd.jpg) This is the first biography of the Albanian national heroScanderbeg (1403-1468) published in England for more than four hundred years. The son of a prince of Albania, he was educated in the Muslim faith as a hostage at the court of Sultan Murad II and given the title bey and an army command. In 1443 Scanderbeg escaped to his homeland, abjured Islam, and formed a league of princes among the Albanian chieftains. He proclaimed himself Prince of Albania. To resist the Ottomans under Sultan Muhammad II , Scanderbeg received aid at various times from Venice, Naples, Hungary, and the pope. Written by the late Harry Hodgkinson, a former naval intelligence officer who served under Ian Fleming, this engrossing and elegantly crafted book is an attempt to bring the reader closer to this famous historical figure and to set him in the dramatic context of Albania and its history. You do realize that none of this proves your position, yes? Nor are you proving what I'm saying wrong. No one is arguing against the fact he's Albania's hero - he is, however for the majority of albanians today he would not consider them his people.
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Post by rex362 on May 11, 2013 11:37:19 GMT -5
I said for those that can read grk Ιστορία Γεωργίου Καστριώτου μετονομασθέντος Σκεντερμπέη πρίγκιπος της Αλβανίας ![](http://i45.tinypic.com/21nql1s.jpg) ![](http://i45.tinypic.com/allw89.jpg) ![](http://i45.tinypic.com/ipxj4g.jpg)
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Post by Kanaris on May 11, 2013 12:14:51 GMT -5
It basically states that Georiois Kastroitis was greek and he ruled over albania basically Like King Otto a German ruled over Greece... thanks for making it easy for us.
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Post by rex362 on May 11, 2013 12:46:15 GMT -5
seems you cant read greek
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Post by Balkaneros on May 11, 2013 16:03:29 GMT -5
seems you cant read greek What does it say ?
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Post by rex362 on May 11, 2013 19:47:41 GMT -5
it says "srbs base their existance on epic poems from church slavonic " have a good night ..... ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) Rodger & out !
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