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Post by Balkaneros on May 16, 2013 19:20:25 GMT -5
You guys are not getting it. No one is saying that Serbs come from the Triballians nowhere did I state this however it is more than clear through documentation coming from those who dealt with the people living in the region (the Serbs) that they were also called the Triballians, at this time the terms Serbian and Triballians were interchangeable (probably for regional reasons). Serbs do not claim their "history" or whatever, but we do give recognition to the fact that they did once inhabit the region. Whats also most likely (probably the only explanation as well) is that the Triballians melted away into the Serb ethnos. Just like how all the natives melted away into the "stronger"/larger ethnic groups. How many Illyrians, Vlachs you think assimilated into the Slav ethnos? Most likely.... tons, so does this make ME a descendant of the Illyrians? when most likely my own ancestors came into contact with them... if they were strong enough they would still be around and still be called Illyrians. Some of these authors clearly explain that "Triballian" is synonym to "Serbian".
For example, Niketas Choniates (or Acominatus, 1155–1215 or-16) in his history about Emperor Ioannes Komnenos: "... Shortly after this, he campaigned against the nation of Triballians (whom someone may call Serbians as well) ..."
In the 15th century, a coat of arms of "Tribalia", depicting a wild boar with an arrow pierced through the head (see Boars in heraldry), appeared in the supposed Coat of Arms of Emperor Stefan Dušan 'the Mighty' www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/554790?uid=3739448&uid=2&uid=3737720&uid=4&sid=21102206587031
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Post by Balkaneros on May 16, 2013 19:20:39 GMT -5
You guys are not getting it. No one is saying that Serbs come from the Triballians nowhere did I state this however it is more than clear through documentation coming from those who dealt with the people living in the region (the Serbs) that they were also called the Triballians, at this time the terms Serbian and Triballians were interchangeable (probably for regional reasons). Serbs do not claim their "history" or whatever, but we do give recognition to the fact that they did once inhabit the region. Whats also most likely (probably the only explanation as well) is that the Triballians melted away into the Serb ethnos. Just like how all the natives melted away into the "stronger"/larger ethnic groups. How many Illyrians, Vlachs you think assimilated into the Slav ethnos? Most likely.... tons, so does this make ME a descendant of the Illyrians? when most likely my own ancestors came into contact with them... if they were strong enough they would still be around and still be called Illyrians. Some of these authors clearly explain that "Triballian" is synonym to "Serbian".
For example, Niketas Choniates (or Acominatus, 1155–1215 or-16) in his history about Emperor Ioannes Komnenos: "... Shortly after this, he campaigned against the nation of Triballians (whom someone may call Serbians as well) ..."
In the 15th century, a coat of arms of "Tribalia", depicting a wild boar with an arrow pierced through the head (see Boars in heraldry), appeared in the supposed Coat of Arms of Emperor Stefan Dušan 'the Mighty' www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/554790?uid=3739448&uid=2&uid=3737720&uid=4&sid=21102206587031
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Post by szarno on May 17, 2013 16:55:19 GMT -5
Palaephatus (Greek “Παλαίφατος”), the late 4th century B.C. author of “On Incredible Tales” (Grk. “Peri Apiston”; Alb. Peralle) which survives in a Byzantine edition, rationalized Greek mythology text using four principles: 1. The use by a man of the name of a monster or animal. 2. The use of double meanings. 3. The use of metaphorical expressions, becoming widespread and later taken literally by the poets. 4. The use of the idea that when things were first invented, people saw them as more wonderful than they were.
Deconstructing the Actaeon metaphor by tracing the evolution of “actual” events into legendary and mythological accounts he said that Actaeon was not being eaten by his dogs but rather it was spending so much on them that it turned proverbial (“His dogs are devouring Actaeon”). Byzantine flattering of the Slavs with Triballian legends may simply be a reference to the master’s hiring of Cerberus as gatekeeper. Scipio Africanus was not really Africanus, however he faced the Baal of the African khan of Barca and won, along he got the nickname Africanus. Triballians were not really Triballians but tri-union Dorians who faced the khans (Baals) of Asia, and as the line got blurred none could say whether they won or lost. I’m making a stupid guess.
Actaeon’s proverb must have inspired Samo (660 A.D) (a renegade self-proclaimed Frankish king, or rather a merchant who helped the rebellion against the Avars), express himself in his response to Sicharius (Frankish legate at his court) in this manner: “Then if you are God’s servants, and we [pagans] are his hounds, and since you persist in offending Him we are within our right to tear you to pieces.” The Frankopans constantly supported the Catholic Church. Narentines aligned themselves with King Tomislav of Croatia in the first half of the 10th century.
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