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Post by kartadolofonos on May 11, 2013 23:28:34 GMT -5
for grks that can read grk ...... ![](http://i50.tinypic.com/21npctf.jpg) its says .... here for albanians !
Series of General history from the time of the Byzantine Kingdom until the fall of Constantinople his bios hegemony and hero of Albania. Georgios Kastriotis Skanderbeys towards the GREEK REVOLUTION ARMATOLON Important Greek militant against tyrants Ottomans over the honor and freedom and under the arms deceased their favor of honor the victims of the GREEK races under the Sultan and his Byzantium mania and latest in Crimea and Anatolian Russian war with all the dignity with Photo illustration. Greek Despotat of Epirus !!![](http://europeanhistory.boisestate.edu/images/maps/byzantine_empire_1265.jpg)
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Post by kartadolofonos on May 12, 2013 0:15:35 GMT -5
George Kastriotis a stolen Greek ruler of the known thieves in the Balkans. George Kastriotis born in Macedonia from the Greek Fathers John Kastrioti, Serbian Princess Mother in 1405. His grandfather was Constantine Kastriotis (maybe from there comes the name). commander of Western Macedonia Veria up to Kastoria ... He spoke and wrote Greek throughout his life and was a Greek Orthodox Christian ... He married the Byzantine prince Andromache Komnene. Considered ancestors of Alexander the Great and King Pyrrhus. Often called himself Alexander wanting to show that it is heir to the Greek Empire ... Georgios Kastriotis Macedonian Helmet ![](http://www.prosopa.eu/images/person_full/skanderbeg.jpg) ![](http://subdude-site.com/WebPics/WebPicsMaps/map_alexanderEmpire_323BC_746x542.gif) Turkish contemporaries regarded him as Greek gave him the nickname "Iskender for Alexander the Great and also he called himself Prince of Epirus. ![](http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:PyrrhusVSrome.jpg) ![](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2f/PyrrhusVSrome.jpg/736px-PyrrhusVSrome.jpg) The Biographer of Ali Pasha called him Greek Commander and all biographers and historians consider him Greek. He fought throughout the life the Turks. The army consisted of Greeks and used the war flag of the Byzantine Empire. The red with the double-headed eagle. The leader and hero George Kastriotis Albanians tried to turn him Albanian! They made him a Muslim .... and decided that it was their hero since they have history .... ![](http://viajes.lapipadelindio.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/skanderbeg-statue-tirana.jpg) ... Also, the flag is a misprint variant of the flag of Kastriotis. The historical truth is relentless and humiliating for people without culture, thieves and bullies ....
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Post by rex362 on May 12, 2013 9:07:54 GMT -5
the greco serb ? wawawa xaxaxaxaxax hahahahahahahah kakakakakaka ka
what perversions .....
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Post by Balkaneros on May 12, 2013 13:28:05 GMT -5
the greco serb ? wawawa xaxaxaxaxax hahahahahahahah kakakakakaka ka what perversions ..... Isn't that the info from your original post? What are you trying to deny now, that his mother was Serbian? I am not sure about his father but most likely he was Greek-Byzantine. You act as if we're trying to "steal him" from you, that's ridiculous since he is in fact Albania's hero BUT you cannot just knit pick the little details you like about him while ignoring the rest that doesn't sit too well with you - that's blatant ignorance.
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Post by rex362 on May 12, 2013 14:43:37 GMT -5
Tribaldi is not serbian
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Post by Balkaneros on May 12, 2013 15:30:15 GMT -5
However, the term "Triballians" (Triballoi) appears frequently in Byzantine and other European works of the Middle Ages, referring exclusively to Serbs.
Gjon Muzaka, an Albanian nobleman of the Muzaka family, alleged in his Muzaka Chronicle (published in 1510) that the "Marquis of Tripalda" was maternally related to the Muzaka.[7] Furthermore, in another chapter, he assigns the "Triballi" to the Serbs.[8]
books.google.ca/books?id=jFPQAAAAMAAJ&q=triballians&hl=en
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voisava_Tripalda#cite_note-4
Some of these authors clearly explain that "Triballian" is synonym to "Serbian".
For example, Niketas Choniates (or Acominatus, 1155–1215 or-16) in his history about Emperor Ioannes Komnenos: "... Shortly after this, he campaigned against the nation of Triballians (whom someone may call Serbians as well) ..."
In the 15th century, a coat of arms of "Tribalia", depicting a wild boar with an arrow pierced through the head (see Boars in heraldry), appeared in the supposed Coat of Arms of Emperor Stefan Dušan 'the Mighty'
www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/554790?uid=3739448&uid=2&uid=3737720&uid=4&sid=21102206587031
books.google.ca/books?id=VGdoAAAAMAAJ&q=triballians&hl=en
![](http://bks3.books.google.ca/books?id=VGdoAAAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&img=1&zoom=1&imgtk=AFLRE72Jz1m0RDl913_JZY7dQGCs9mF8_oYkDPwIjMmwBi3FamIRWwgAJg3P7ADdR_6sJOH98YDrE5F-eV9GSy4uyoWN2u3-fRCzKPwSX3AT6--HKOb_J5Jp7Am6TtHKJiZ7voBJptAd)
The Triballians are the Serbs"
books.google.ca/books?id=AdbgOudLnj4C&pg=PA48&dq=triballians&hl=en#v=onepage&q=triballians&f=false
books.google.ca/books?id=XnKgAAAAMAAJ&hl=en
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triballi#Serbia
With the beginning of the First Serbian Uprising, the Parliament adopted the Serbian Coat of Arms in 1805, their official seal depicted the heraldic emblems of Serbia and Tribalia.
![](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bf/Praviteljstvuju%C5%A1%C4%8Di_sovjet_serbski.JPG)
Voisava's Father;
Grgur Golubić - Skanderbegs' grand-father
He held the Polog region with the title of Caesar. Grgur was the son of sebastocrator Branko Mladenović, the deputy of Ochrid under Emperor Dušan, thus part of the Branković noble family. He is mentioned as a caesar in a letter from Pope Innocentius VI to the Emperor dated 1347.[3][4] Grgur is mentioned in charters of Dušan dated 1348-54 for the Sveti arhanđeli monastery in Prizren, which points to that Grgur held a region around Prizren. Grgur and Bishop Grigorije of Devoll founded the Zaum monastery (Church of the Holy Virgin Zaumska, Bogorodica Zahumska) on Lake Ohrid near Zaum, to which he brought the cult of the Virgin of Zahumlje (hence its name). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grgur_Golubi%C4%87You also have names you cannot run away from like; Stanisha Jelena George (name was given on Djurdjevdan) Vlajka Mara If you use common sense then certain things become undeniable.
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Post by Kanaris on May 12, 2013 16:43:33 GMT -5
Rex you got kicked in the gonads with your own source... lol!
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Post by rex362 on May 12, 2013 17:40:24 GMT -5
mere epic poems ..your tribal-anything is geographic and nothing more !
Tribal is mentioned way before the arrival of any Slavs in the Balkans ....your simply being fryomaniacal about Tribaldi
Triballians were a Illyrian-Thracian tribe ...
"Dio of Prusa also couples together Illyrians and Triballians as past overlords of Macedon...":
From Arian to Alexander, A.B. Bosworth; p. 110
TRIBALLUS ΤΡΙΒΑΛΛΟΣ 1. The eponymous king of the Triballi tribe of Thrace and the father of Hipponous
"On the other hand, the 12 gods of Olympus were not shared by Illyrians. Aristophanes in his “Όρνιθες” [1520-1523], places the gods οf the Triballians/Illyrians above Zeus, distinguishing this way the 12 Olympian Gods from the gods of Triballians/Illyrians. "
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Post by Balkaneros on May 12, 2013 17:55:15 GMT -5
I think you know well that what you're trying to peddle here is complete BS.
You're right, back then... however when the Serbs inhabitated the land "Triballians" was synonymus to "Serbian". Even Albanian scholars have documented this, along with the Byzantines, British, Austrians and Greeks.
I didn't even show you one-Serb source. Look at the links I provided... read my full post - the answers are all there.
Who was Voisava's father? How can you try to argue she was Illyrian... they were extinct long before wtf man....
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Post by rex362 on May 12, 2013 18:29:12 GMT -5
![](http://i45.tinypic.com/xlxiro.jpg) ![](http://i45.tinypic.com/f5eg3.jpg) for real greek readers ..... here on this page it states : *Dalmats being Albanians *Tribals are refereed to as Albanians * *AND MOST OF ALL IT MENTIONS ALBANIANS BEFORE THE WRITINGS OF ANA KOMNENE'S
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Post by rex362 on May 12, 2013 18:32:38 GMT -5
I think you know well that what you're trying to peddle here is complete BS. You're right, back then... however when the Serbs inhabitated the land "Triballians" was synonymus to "Serbian". Even Albanian scholars have documented this, along with the Byzantines, British, Austrians and Greeks. I didn't even show you one-Serb source. Look at the links I provided... read my full post - the answers are all there. Who was Voisava's father? How can you try to argue she was Illyrian... they were extinct long before wtf man.... It is high treason for a Greek or Serb to acknowledge Albanians as descendants of the Illyrians It keeps their conception of a Quasi Genetic unity of each of their races together -Fact- is Singidunum synonymus to serbia anything ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) ?? stfu
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Post by Balkaneros on May 12, 2013 18:38:44 GMT -5
I think you know well that what you're trying to peddle here is complete BS. You're right, back then... however when the Serbs inhabitated the land "Triballians" was synonymus to "Serbian". Even Albanian scholars have documented this, along with the Byzantines, British, Austrians and Greeks. I didn't even show you one-Serb source. Look at the links I provided... read my full post - the answers are all there. Who was Voisava's father? How can you try to argue she was Illyrian... they were extinct long before wtf man.... It is high treason for a Greek or Serb to acknowledge Albanians as descendants of the Illyrians It keeps their conception of a Quasi Genetic unity of each of their races together -Fact- is Singidunum synonymus to serbia anything ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) ?? stfu If you're not going to take academia seriously... then why do you bother, you just keep making an ass of yourself. (repost) However, the term "Triballians" (Triballoi) appears frequently in Byzantine and other European works of the Middle Ages, referring exclusively to Serbs. Gjon Muzaka, an Albanian nobleman of the Muzaka family, alleged in his Muzaka Chronicle ( published in 1510) that the "Marquis of Tripalda" was maternally related to the Muzaka.[7] Furthermore, in another chapter, he assigns the "Triballi" to the Serbs.[8] books.google.ca/books?id=jFPQAAAAMAAJ&q=triballians&hl=enen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voisava_Tripalda#cite_note-4Some of these authors clearly explain that "Triballian" is synonym to "Serbian". For example, Niketas Choniates (or Acominatus, 1155–1215 or-16) in his history about Emperor Ioannes Komnenos: "... Shortly after this, he campaigned against the nation of Triballians (whom someone may call Serbians as well) ..."In the 15th century, a coat of arms of "Tribalia", depicting a wild boar with an arrow pierced through the head (see Boars in heraldry), appeared in the supposed Coat of Arms of Emperor Stefan Dušan 'the Mighty' www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/554790?uid=3739448&uid=2&uid=3737720&uid=4&sid=21102206587031books.google.ca/books?id=VGdoAAAAMAAJ&q=triballians&hl=en The Triballians are the Serbs"books.google.ca/books?id=AdbgOudLnj4C&pg=PA48&dq=triballians&hl=en#v=onepage&q=triballians&f=falsebooks.google.ca/books?id=XnKgAAAAMAAJ&hl=enen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triballi#SerbiaWith the beginning of the First Serbian Uprising, the Parliament adopted the Serbian Coat of Arms in 1805, their official seal depicted the heraldic emblems of Serbia and Tribalia. ![](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bf/Praviteljstvuju%C5%A1%C4%8Di_sovjet_serbski.JPG) Voisava's Father; [/em] Grgur Golubić - Skanderbegs' grand-father
He held the Polog region with the title of Caesar. Grgur was the son of sebastocrator Branko Mladenović, the deputy of Ochrid under Emperor Dušan, thus part of the Branković noble family. He is mentioned as a caesar in a letter from Pope Innocentius VI to the Emperor dated 1347.[3][4] Grgur is mentioned in charters of Dušan dated 1348-54 for the Sveti arhanđeli monastery in Prizren, which points to that Grgur held a region around Prizren. Grgur and Bishop Grigorije of Devoll founded the Zaum monastery (Church of the Holy Virgin Zaumska, Bogorodica Zahumska) on Lake Ohrid near Zaum, to which he brought the cult of the Virgin of Zahumlje (hence its name). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grgur_Golubi%C4%87You also have names you cannot run away from like; Stanisha Jelena George (name was given on Djurdjevdan) Vlajka Mara Enciclopedia genealogica del Mediterraneo
-Branilo (+ assassinato a Jannina nel 1379 circa), di origine serba, Governatore di Jannina nel 1368. Sposa N.N. -Voisava Tripalda, figlia del signore serbo di Pologwww.genmarenostrum.com/pagine-lettere/letterac/CASTRIOTA%20E%20BRANAI.htmSkanderbeg's grand-father; Grgur Golubić (Father of Voisava)
He held the Polog region with the title of Caesar. Grgur was the son of sebastocrator Branko Mladenović, the deputy of Ochrid under Emperor Dušan, thus part of the Branković noble family.. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grgur_Golubi%C4%87Voisava's grand-Father (Skanderbegs' great-grandfather) Branko Mladenović
Branko Mladenović (Serbian: Бранко Младеновић) was a 14th-century Serb feudal lord in the Lake Ohrid border region (Old Serbia) in 1346 between the Serb lands ruled by Stefan Dušan (Branko nominally recognized Uroš suzerainty) and Albanian lands ruled by Matarango. He succeeded his father, the deputy of Trebinje and Dračevica Vojvoda Mladen, but was later given the title of sebastokrator by the late Serbian Emperor Stefan Dušan and held Ohrid. He acquired further lands into Kosovo including the region of Drenica.[1] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Branko_Mladenovi%C4%87The Kastioti family (Skanderbeg's Fathers'-side) had a very close relationship with the Serbian Empire (he married a Serb a few of his kids have Serbian names), Pal Kastioti (Skanderbeg's grand-father) even received his estates in Albania from The Serbian Emperor Dusan as a gift after he captured land.
Stefan Crnojevic married the oldest daughter of the lord of Mat Gjon Kastrioti, Maria Kastrioti, also called Mamica.[8] This family link became really important when in November 1443 Gjon's son and Maria's brother, George Kastrioti Skanderbeg rebelled in Albania against his Ottoman sovereign. According to Vasilije Petrović-Njegoš Stefan sent soldiers under the command of Božidar to help Skanderbeg in his fight against Ottomans, but Lekë Dukagjini and members of Zaharia family ambushed and killed them. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_I_Crnojevi%C4%87.... On 25 February 1420 Gjon Kastriot wrote a letter in the Serbian language to merchants from Ragusa (Dubrovnik). Based on the order of the despot of Serbia, when they would travel from Ragusa to Prizren they had to use the route trough Shkodër in Albania Veneta and the Kastriot's land instead of the previous route trough the land under control of the small feudal lords and highland tribes of Montenegro. In 1426 he donated the right to the proceeds from taxes collected from the two villages (Rostuša and Trebište in Macedonia) and from the church of Saint Mary, which was in one of them, to the Serbian Orthodox Monastery of Hilandar in Mount Athos where his son Reposh retired and died in 25 July 1431. Afterwards, in period between 1426 and 1431,[43] Gjon Kastrioti and his sons, with the exception of Stanisha, purchased four adelphates (rights to reside on monastic territory and receive subsidies from monastic resources) to the Saint George tower and to some property within the monastery. According to the archives of the Hilandar monastery on Mount Athos, he took monastic vows there and received the name Joachim, becoming an Orthodox monk, where he died.
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Post by Kanaris on May 13, 2013 5:38:06 GMT -5
Rex you're making an assumption that if someone was from Albania he was automatically Albanian...doesn't work that way.As the article never made reference to them being Albanian but just living there as more than half your population was Greek.
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Post by rex362 on May 13, 2013 8:11:06 GMT -5
epic poems to hide the facts of serbian -ottoman connection ![http://i45.tinypic.com/2rw1duc.jpg](http://i45.tinypic.com/2rw1duc.jpg) translation of this Brankovich -Sultan Murat love relationship ..... "Lord of the entire World from East to West, my Emperor! Despite the fact that I am just an unworthy servant of yours and the great love I have for your immortal crown , I haven't allowed Scanderbeg your sworn enemy, to pass on my land, to join Hunyadi to attack me thy servant. He enslaved all my land burned villages and towns without mercy, for this o Sultan Almighty, now it is the right time to take vengeance for yourself and on my behalf , attack them from the East and I will attack from the North, in order to destroy and banish them forever."
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Post by rex362 on May 13, 2013 8:29:38 GMT -5
you srbs and grks are p!ssed at the fact that this great Albanian George unifies Albanians across the board regardless of what religion they are ....
something that maybe srbs & grks cannot comprehend bcs they themselves are created as an ethno by a religion
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Post by rex362 on May 13, 2013 8:54:43 GMT -5
Another thing that P!sses off srbs & greks is that support for Georges wars come from the realms of Catholic Churches and NOT from Orthodox Corporations
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Post by rex362 on May 13, 2013 8:58:42 GMT -5
George was very close to the Catholic Church,he had ties with the senior Catholic hierarchy and was in alliance with the Pope of Rome and the leaders of the day in Italy, but in his youth he came from within the Balkans where there was no Catholic church
where was the srb Orthodox Church ?? to busy being ottoman vassals maybe and working against him
no aid whatsoever came from srb/grk Orthodoxy corporations
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Post by rex362 on May 13, 2013 9:45:37 GMT -5
your srbs and grks are p!ssed bcs he won 24 battles with his ALL Albanian troops
sure you want to be part of this legend but you cant ....thats why the propaganda continues .....
but like I said earlier if your great grandfathers were Albanian and now assimilated slavs /greks then your allowed ,its ok
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Post by Kanaris on May 13, 2013 10:06:18 GMT -5
Alexander the Great unified Hellens and spread the Greek language all across the then known world... yet he was Macedonian...
What was you point again?
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Post by rex362 on May 13, 2013 10:24:16 GMT -5
you srbs & grks are p!ssed bcs Europe alone has written over 300 books about the Albanian Hero
Not grk hero
Not srb hero
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