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Post by rex362 on May 13, 2013 10:42:01 GMT -5
The Tribali tribe of Pollog and has no connection with the Slavs ......
Vjosava the daughter of GËRGURI a Pollog ruler
Gerguri is an Albanian name still to this day
actually ......
Vjosava Trbaldi Muzaka Castrioti
Vjosava Tribaldi nots Vojsava Brankovic
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Post by rex362 on May 13, 2013 11:09:06 GMT -5
Alexander the Great unified Hellens and spread the Greek language all across the then known world... yet he was Macedonian... What was you point again? yes a Macedonia .....and he didn't unify them ...he subjugated and burned and pillaged and then put his face on all their coins
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Post by rex362 on May 13, 2013 12:10:21 GMT -5
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Post by Balkaneros on May 13, 2013 12:15:16 GMT -5
you srbs and grks are p!ssed at the fact that this great Albanian George unifies Albanians across the board regardless of what religion they are .... something that maybe srbs & grks cannot comprehend bcs they themselves are created as an ethno by a religion I just died laughing for a good few mins had to get a grip of myself as to wtf you just said. What you just said there was straight recording from Hoxha and the foundation of the lie... man that guy really held you guys.
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Post by Balkaneros on May 13, 2013 12:20:31 GMT -5
The Tribali tribe of Pollog and has no connection with the Slavs ...... Vjosava the daughter of GËRGURI a Pollog ruler Gerguri is an Albanian name still to this day actually ...... Vjosava Trbaldi Muzaka Castrioti
Vjosava Tribaldi nots Vojsava Brankovic
You're such an idiot rex, who is Gerguri of Prolog? this guy; Grgur of Prolog, --- Grgur --albanised into Gerguri en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grgur_Golubi%C4%87H e held the Polog region with the title of Caesar. Grgur was the son of sebastocrator Branko Mladenović, the deputy of Ochrid under Emperor Dušan, thus part of the Branković noble family. He is mentioned as a caesar in a letter from Pope Innocentius VI to the Emperor dated 1347.[3][4] Grgur is mentioned in charters of Dušan dated 1348-54 for the Sveti arhanđeli monastery in Prizren, which points to that Grgur held a region around Prizren. Grgur and Bishop Grigorije of Devoll founded the Zaum monastery (Church of the Holy Virgin Zaumska, Bogorodica Zahumska) on Lake Ohrid near Zaum, to which he brought the cult of the Virgin of Zahumlje (hence its name). how many Grgurs of Prolog were around at the time? who had daughters named Vojsava? Now you you just got smack right up the side of your head with reality... I can feel it from here.
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Post by rex362 on May 13, 2013 12:30:46 GMT -5
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Post by Balkaneros on May 13, 2013 12:32:37 GMT -5
Alexander the Great unified Hellens and spread the Greek language all across the then known world... yet he was Macedonian... What was you point again? I don't see how a Muslim Albanian can understand. Also remember, Skanderbeg is everything they have, thus they must protect their fantasy dreams at all costs even if does make them look like idiots. btw rexy, I would rank this thread one of the top "Rex gets owned" threads
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Post by rex362 on May 13, 2013 12:33:57 GMT -5
its so obvious ..........yep
Grgur = Gerguri
srb = serbian
grk=grek
krrrrk = fukt
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Post by Balkaneros on May 13, 2013 12:46:32 GMT -5
you srbs & grks are p!ssed bcs Europe alone has written over 300 books about the Albanian Hero Not grk hero Not srb hero LMFAO !!! ya and you know when they were written?! When your ancestors were trying to erase his history and when Christian Albanians were watching their brethren lining up in front of mosques to convert and heel toward the Ottomans, when those left WHO DIDN'T convert were betrayed when those loyal to Skanderbeg left to Italy and Greece for their cause was done with.
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Post by Kanaris on May 13, 2013 12:47:33 GMT -5
ulululululuylulululu
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Post by Balkaneros on May 13, 2013 13:21:14 GMT -5
There was many Serbs and Greeks that lived in Albania at one point it was majority Slavic, it's very likely that "Albanian" was strictly geographic at one point in time one thing is certain, the Ottomans, hence religion changed everything. So I don't see how you can say "it didn't matter" when you look at the historical periods before and after it's more than obvious. The thing is you simply deny Pre-Ottoman Albanian history your the Hoxha generation.
I also notice many albs have this sick idea that Skanderbeg just came out of nowhere, when he came back that role was waiting for him he didn't start from scratch, he came from a noble family a family which carries much history on it's own which goes back way before he was even born and most don't even know about his family cause they wont like what they find. They just start with him, while only taking in parts they like and shunning the rest but the thing with Skanderbeg is that SO MUCH is documented by SO MANY sources so many things become undeniable.
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Post by rex362 on May 13, 2013 14:11:45 GMT -5
thanks uz for Our Albanian history lesson ......but not needed
we dont like serbian versions of history .....the world doesn't either
your own past histories are epis poems created recently ....in just the last 900 years you have 3 major writings from church slavonic .....
researching serbian history of past is no difference than your fabled history the past 20 some years
al'a bs
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Post by Balkaneros on May 13, 2013 16:20:05 GMT -5
thanks uz for Our Albanian history lesson ......but not needed we dont like serbian versions of history .....the world doesn't either You don't like or know history to begin with, only fables. That's what you're an expert on, thus an expert on fuck all. You can't even discuss Skanderbeg like a human being you throw a fit and spam the boards with useless pictures which mean and answer nothing.
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Post by rex362 on May 13, 2013 17:05:55 GMT -5
serbian fables
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Post by szarno on May 14, 2013 6:12:36 GMT -5
The Arberesh author Gavril Dara i Riu (Gabriel Dara Jr.), in his biography, talking about the arrival of the Shqiptar newcomers in Palace Adriano (Italy) immediately after the death of George Castriota, writes:
“Among them, the first, my parents, who are known to this date as Mercury and Njani I Dharenjeve, people (gjerinj) belonging to the Castriota from Vojsava’s side, his mother’s side, the daughter of the Prince of Mirdite”. (Gavril Dara i Riu “Kenga e Sprasme e Bales” 1906)
Gavril Dara i Riu (1826-1885), General Secretary of Garibaldi’s revolutionary government (1860), in possession of Venecian documents writes that his forefathers arrived in Palace Adriano in 1482, right after the Ottoman takeover of Shkodra. His Venecian reference is more reliable source by far compared to any Serbian or Greek author of the time. His statements are made in the autobiography of the opening poem written by him titled “Kenga e Sprasme e Bales” (The old song of Bala). Thaloc and Jirecek in their work (Zeie Urkunden aus Nordalbanien), call it a propaganda tale, the Slavic claim on Kastrioti origin.
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Post by szarno on May 14, 2013 7:41:46 GMT -5
Triballians lived in the Triballian Plains or Lower Timok (Tribalia) conquered by Romans in the 1st century, called Timachiom, (The Timok frontier). Timok is crossed by Timok and Morava rivers (both right tributaries of the Danube). At the River Timok start Balkan Mountains (Haemus, Mount Rattan, according to Romanian Timok legend “navel of the world”; Rătaneste; Alb. Maratanesht). Romans viewed Ti’machiom as a periphery of Machedon and Tribalians, a tribal outpost functioning as the defense line of the Illyrian frontier located near the state border known to Romanians as Valea Timocului, its inhabitants as Timoceni, the battle fighters, “mache ton Donu” (Danube fighters), called after the name of the river in antiquity, Latin: Timacus, (ti’ grk. mache, battle). Strabo and Diodorus portray Triballians as a Thracian tribe whereas Stephen of Byzantium and Aristophanes make them Illyrians. Tribali, had their own state and stood in battle against Philip II of Macedonia, even wounding him. Chroniclers of the crusaders describe encountering Vlachs in the 12th and 13th century Timok area and the possibility these Vlachs were bilingual and spoke a secondary language like the sermus gentili of the Illyrian is not unlikely since majority of the remaining Shqiptar speaking Illyrians were summed up by the medieval chronicles of the dark ages under the pastoral labeling “Vlach”. Serbian documents from the 13th and 14th century include a prohibition of intermarriage between Serbs and Vlachs by Emperor Dušan the Mighty. The presence of the Tribali in Polog area of Macedonia is no surprise considering the dispersion of Illyrians after the Avar driven Slavic onslaught across the Danubian frontier. Justinian had the following strongholds in the region of Triballia: Petres, Sculcoburgo, Vindimiola, Braeola, Arganocili, Castellonovo, Florentiana Romyliana Septecasae Argentares Auriliana Gembero Clemades Turribas Gribo Chalaro Tzutrato Mutzipara Stendas Scaripara, Odriuzo, Cipipene, Trasiana, Potes, Amulo, Setlotes, Timaciolum, Meridio, Meriopontede, Tredetetilious, Braeola, Motreses, Vicanovo, Quartiana, Julioballae, Pontzas, Zanes. Timok to this day experiences a significant non-slavic population, called by the Slavs “Vlasi” (Wallachia, Vlachs). Today Timok consists of the counties of Branicevo, East Morava, Saitcheir (Grk. hand of Sait) Bor, and Vidin region. In Golubac, modern Timok area (Grgur Golubic, Voisava’s father was undoubtly a Gegh-Vlach and not a Slav) according to the latest census, today's Vlachs constitute 9.9% of the population which considering the systematic denationalization of Vlachs by Slavs points to a probably entirely Vlach (Shqiptar) population in middle ages. In its recent history Timok gave its name to a rebellion against Serbian king Milan Obrenovic IV in 1883, Timocka buna (“rebellion of Timok”). Emperor Caius Valerius Galerius Maximus was born into a Timok family of refuges from Danube’s northern clashes.
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Post by rex362 on May 14, 2013 7:58:45 GMT -5
thank you szarno for that info .....
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Post by szarno on May 14, 2013 16:49:25 GMT -5
As far as the founding by Grgur and Bishop Grigorije of Devoll of the Zaum monastery (Church of the Holy Virgin of Zaum) on Lake Ohrid near Zaum, to which he brought the cult of the Virgin of Zahumlje (hence its name) it might be helpful to clarify that what for Slavs is "The Virgin of Zachulmia", to Albanians speakers is "Virgjna (Zoja) e Kulmit", virgin of the mount (cornerstone). Zachulmians were described as migrants from Polish-Ukrainian area, who driven by their Khazar-Avar aristocracy colonized Romanized regions as early as the 6th century. Zachlumia's hereditary dynasty, the House of Vicevic, most probably descended from the Litziki tribe populating the upper streams of the Vistula in which H T Norris, cites Al-Masudi, claiming Croats and Serbs intermixed while settled there. Zachumlia is a derivative of Hum, from Vulgar Latin (Vlach) culme (Latin: culmen, Albanian: kulm) meaning "Hill". South Slavic Zahumlje is named after the mountain of Hum (za + Hum "behind the Hum"), above Bona, at the mouth of the Buna. The names Chelmania, Chulmia and terra de Chelmo appear in later Latin and Italian chronicles. Just because a Christian Albanian shows reverence for the mother of Christ in a Church where liturgy is held in Slavonic doesn't make them Slavs even if they understood the language.
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Post by szarno on May 16, 2013 14:51:23 GMT -5
Triballians can be seen as Illyrian tribes whose origin was Balletum in Illyria, connected to Illyrian Ballios (Ballius, Balleus) possibly stemming from a PIE root *bhel-, or relating to Alb. “Ball” (front). Among Illyrians (tracoiliri) of the Danubian frontier, the mythological dragon was known as “Balaur”, a pre IE relic believed to have derived from Latin “belua” or “beluria” (“beast” cf. It. belva), ancient Greek pelorion (monster), with its Illyrian cognate found in Albanian “boljar” (water snake), root of the aristocratic labeling “boyar” for the nobility in middle ages. Ivan Stepanovich (1839–1894), Russian Consul in Shkodër and Prizren, connected the Roman town of Balletium, located near modern Balec village of Shkoder with the founder of the Balsha family. Croatian ethnologist Milan Sufflay believed that they were of “Romanian” and “Vlach” origin. German linguist Gustav Wigand (1860-1930) noted that their family name was included in a list of early Albanian surnames in Romania, hence he considered them a mixed Albanian-Aromanian origin. Modern scholars like Edgar Hösch and Plemen Tsvetkov viewed the Balsha family origin as Albanian. Balsha’s strategic hideout retreat was the Illyrian island of Mjalta, Latin Melita, Italian Meleda (Greek melita, honey, alb. mjalta, honey), the most southerly and easterly of the larger Adriatic islands of the Illyro-Dalmatian region.
Constantine VII Porphyrogenitos mentions in his “Of Ruling an Empire” (950) the island held by the Narentines, name by which the Illyrian (Shqiptar) were known derived from the local Neretva (Latin: Naretna) river. The inhabitants were known to Latins also by the name Meranians, meaning “coastal people” from “Merania”, coastland”. During classical antiquity Neretva (Narona) was home of the Illyrian Ardiaei (Mar-diaei) and Daorsi (Da-versi). Strabo lists the Ardiaei as one of the three strongest tribes – the other two being the Autariatae and the Dardani. The whole of the mountainous country that stretches alongside Pannonia from the recess of the Adriatic as far as the Rhizonic Gulf and the land of the Ardiaei is Illyrian, falling as it does between the sea and the Pannonian tribes (Strabon, Geographika, 7.5.3). Archaeologists from the Norway University of Lund found after excavations in Hutovo Blato, the very first traces of an Illyrian trading post at Desilo more than two thousand years old providing contact between Illyrians and Rome. The Illyrian Daorsi if we take into account the ancient geographer Strabo make Illyrians the original inhabitants of Romania as well as the original Dacians knew themselves by another name, that of “Daoi”, which Phrygians borrowed from Illyrian “dhaunos” and used as a word for wolf “Daos”, hence the saying “wolves in sheep’s clothing”.
Illyrian Mjalta and Mediterranean Malta had the same name in the Greek and Roman sources and although Saint Paul’s shipwreck is generally placed on the island of Malta, the naming of a harbour after the Saint in the Illyrian island of Melita has led some to investigate the written source. Sh’pal (St. Paul) was called the geographical site where Mirditor clansmen assembled before heading to war. Mljet lies south of the Pelješac peninsula, from which it is divided by the Mljet Channel. The name Peljesac is most likely derived from the name of a hill above town of Orebić (Italian: Sabbioncello), which is Pelisac. The earliest known historic records of Peljesac are from ancient Greece. The area became part of the Roman province of Dalmatia after the Illyrian Wars (220 BC to 219 BC) followed with Roman migration. In the 6th century Peljesac came under Byzantine rule followed by the Great Migrations of the 6th and 7th century Slavic and Avar invaders. As the barbarians began settling on the coast, the local coastal population had to take refuge on the islands.
Oral tradition relates Balsha with the Nemanja family which is probably due to documents stating that the first crowned of the Nemanja, King Stephan II, gifted his lands and monasteries and church on Krkar to the Benedictine Order of Mljet that had arrived from Pulsano (Monte Gargano) in Apulia ashore in the Sutmiholjska cove in 1151, allowed by Prince Desa of Vojislavljevic (1187-1198) to built the church and Monastery of Saint Mary, which Pope Innocent III consecrated in 1198. The arriving Slavs under the orthodox (pravo-slavi) grand-conspiracy of the Greek-Armenian elite in Constantinople (which managed to persuade Frankish controlled West) tried to accommodate the Illyrians into this newly created Cherenania, Craynenses, Krajinjane territorial ridicule. The words addressed by Alexander the Great in a letter to the Persian ruler: “Your ancestors came into Macedonia and the rest of Greece and treated us ill, without any previous injury from us,” express perfectly feelings of the Illyrian families left to fend for themselves against the multitudes of the Khazar-Avar subjects and their grand Persian scheme.
According to a sixth-century source (Menander the Guardsman, fr. 21), the Avars attacked in 578 King Daurentius and “the chiefs of his people” (hosoi en telei tou ethnous) in the territory of today’s Hungary, called at the end of Roman rule, Pannonia Prima (Roman Pannonia Superior). It’s possible that “Darenjt family” of the Arberesh author Gavril Dara i Riu, was part of the Illyrians that ruled this part of the Roman world until the Avar aristocracy turned the tables against them. His testimony linking his lineage to Kastrioti’s mother might as well testify to this fact as the Golubac-Vlach village is found in close proximity.
“But leaders rose to political prominence in context in which they also embodied collective interest and responsibility. Chiefs like Dauritas, the bold leader…. attacked by the Avars in 578, ‘created’ groups by speaking and taking action in the name of their respective communities. When in the name of the qagan, the Avar envoys …. demanded tribute, Dauritas boastfully replied that “others do not conquer our land, we conquer theirs; and so it shall always be for us, as long as there are wars and weapons.” Political and military mobilization was a response to the historical conditions created by the implementation of the fortified frontier on the Danube.” (Menander the Guardsman, History, frg. 21, ed. and tranl. By R.C. Blockey; p. 195)
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Post by rex362 on May 16, 2013 17:08:14 GMT -5
we thank you for that information ......
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