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Post by manijak on Jun 12, 2009 18:00:19 GMT -5
Most Serbs are dark skin tone? I have never seen a blonde Serb...are there any?
On the other hand, Bosniaks are mixed between blondes, bruns and black.
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Post by vinjak on Jun 12, 2009 18:06:50 GMT -5
I have never seen a blonde Serb...are there any?
Yes there are, there are many Serbs with light skin and fair hair, I for one have light brown hair and blue eyes.
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Post by tito on Jun 12, 2009 18:09:19 GMT -5
This topic is not about Bosniaks, I know that you would prefer to talk about something else and I will be happy to answer your questions about Bosniaks but not in this topic since it is about the Croat connection to Iran. Serbs, and Croats are the SAME (with mild regional variations, which dont correspond to ethnicity)... just like there are NO genetic differences between the Dutch, the Flemmish and Walloons (in Belgium), and the Germans in Luxembourg... but that doesn't mean they are one ethnicity... Don't believe me? Naturally I don’t believe you since you are mostly wrong. I believe that the Croat people have adopted their name from their Iranian rulers and that the name of the Serbs describes the social class they belonged to before becoming a people. These two groups have always been separated and the fact that Christians in Bosnia 150 years ago deliberately equalized their religious preferences with their new ethnicity doesn’t really make Croats and Serbs outside Bosnia the same. And tito, I love seeing how filled with hate you are.. it's kinda funny that you have such anger issues when it comes to Croats and Serbs. LOL, you are just not used to hearing the truth. It has nothing to do with hate, I can understand that you have a hard time accepting new facts that contradict your traditional nationalist propaganda but hey don’t blame me. I’m not the one that has been manipulating you into believing that all Catholics must be Croats, or that Croats and Serbs or even Bosniaks are somehow the same people, I am not responsible for the fact that you have a hard time talking about the Iranian roots of your national identity.
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Post by Username on Jun 12, 2009 18:27:33 GMT -5
This topic is not about Bosniaks, I know that you would prefer to talk about something else and I will be happy to answer your questions about Bosniaks but not in this topic since it is about the Croat connection to Iran. Naturally I don’t believe you since you are mostly wrong. I believe that the Croat people have adopted their name from their Iranian rulers and that the name of the Serbs describes the social class they belonged to before becoming a people. These two groups have always been separated and the fact that Christians in Bosnia 150 years ago deliberately equalized their religious preferences with their new ethnicity doesn’t really make Croats and Serbs outside Bosnia the same. And tito, I love seeing how filled with hate you are.. it's kinda funny that you have such anger issues when it comes to Croats and Serbs. LOL, you are just not used to hearing the truth. It has nothing to do with hate, I can understand that you have a hard time accepting new facts that contradict your traditional nationalist propaganda but hey don’t blame me. I’m not the one that has been manipulating you into believing that all Catholics must be Croats, or that Croats and Serbs or even Bosniaks are somehow the same people, I am not responsible for the fact that you have a hard time talking about the Iranian roots of your national identity. Here's an idea - how about you stop ignoring my points and argue or comment on them? Specifically: -Genetically, Croats cannot be related to Iranians - 90%+ of Croats fall with European-based haplogroups. -The Iranian theory is not widely accepted... if at all. There are other more accepted theories as to where Croats come from; through research done by anthropologists. -Provide a source to the Swedish study that says 75% of Croats are of Iranian heritage (which is even impossible to prove due to the mass movements of all human populations)... Clear bullshit. -Bosniaks, Croats, Serbs = the same genetically... I really like how you did that split quote thing to totally brush that fact off. Like I said, do some research, and you will find the truth. -"Naturally I don’t believe you since you are mostly wrong. I believe that the Croat people have adopted their name from their Iranian rulers and that the name of the Serbs describes the social class they belonged to before becoming a people." I really don't care what you believe... What I care about are the experts' opinions and research on this, and they completely contradict your micro views. -The Iranian roots of my national identity? My national identity is Canadian, not Croatian, Serbian or Bosnian. I don't care about this as much as you think... Im nationalistic? LoL... right. Aren't you the guy who's always pimping Islam on this forum? Bashing on Serbs and Croats? Praising Bosnia and the glorious Bosniaks? Bottom line is that you're a joke.. all you do is troll.. Until you come back with something of actual substance... academic sources or whatever, and not your nationalistic opinions or lame troll attempts, I don't plan on replying to you... Get a life.
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Post by tito on Jun 12, 2009 18:49:47 GMT -5
Here's an idea - how about you stop ignoring my points and argue or comment on them? Specifically: -Genetically, Croats cannot be related to Iranians.. Yeah, you keep telling me that over and over again as if You totally ignored the first thing I said in this topic. From what I have seen here on Bosnia-forum your perspective on Bosnian history is nationalistic, you keep insulting the Bosniak people by claiming that we where somehow Croats and Serbs before the Ottomans which is absurd to anyone who is not a nationalist Serb or Croat.
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Post by manijak on Jun 12, 2009 19:04:38 GMT -5
Our history is so complex, with so many different ethnicities coming in and out and getting absorbed, that its probably more accurate to say that we are all pretty mixed (and we have that in common)
Basically, genetic purity does not exist in the balkans.
But maybe somebody who knows more can correct me if thats wrong?
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Trazi Vise
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Post by Trazi Vise on Jun 12, 2009 19:31:57 GMT -5
Damn a nice provocating thread, and I have to leave for the airport. :-) manijak, da upravu si that 100% purity doesn't exist, but to say that prety much ALL are mixed would be incorrect to say...I'll be back in a few hours to write a better response...
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Post by manijak on Jun 12, 2009 19:36:51 GMT -5
i mean especially in the balkans.
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Post by manijak on Jun 12, 2009 20:04:32 GMT -5
I am going to take some interesting posts from another place and you guys can comment, some really interesting points:
Point 1:
Point 2:
Point 3:
Point 4:
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Post by manijak on Jun 12, 2009 20:19:52 GMT -5
Wiki:
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Post by tito on Jun 12, 2009 20:21:20 GMT -5
I am going to take some interesting posts from another place This was posted at the old Illyria forum, if I remember it right Highduke and Admin had a fight about it which ended with FBI intervention since Highduke couldn’t handle the fact that servs where not a people back then.
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Post by srbobran on Jun 12, 2009 21:04:37 GMT -5
If we got our name from a social class then tell me, genius, who are the Serboi (the Iranic tribe living in the Caucus who are thought to have given Serbs their name)?
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Post by SKORIC on Jun 12, 2009 21:17:28 GMT -5
Most Serbs are dark skin tone? I have never seen a blonde Serb...are there any? On the other hand, Bosniaks are mixed between blondes, bruns and black.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Jun 12, 2009 23:28:09 GMT -5
Most Serbs are dark skin tone? I have never seen a blonde Serb...are there any? On the other hand, Bosniaks are mixed between blondes, bruns and black. You come up with some really stupid stuff sometimes.
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Post by fazlinho on Jun 13, 2009 5:09:43 GMT -5
I think everyone knows that Slavic is a linguistic term that became later an "proto-ethnic" one.
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Post by manijak on Jun 13, 2009 7:09:17 GMT -5
I honestly just haven't seen very many..in real life nor generally. Basically, its happen so often that I just expect the Serb to be dark-haired.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jun 17, 2009 8:36:25 GMT -5
Iran, seriously guys
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Post by terroreign on Jun 19, 2009 7:27:37 GMT -5
^Yes novi, Iran. It's your motherland.
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Post by radovic on Jun 19, 2009 11:50:25 GMT -5
^ Well if Terropicka believes that there's only one thing to say.
Our ancestors were contemporaries of the Ancient Greeks while yours were eating shit. ;D
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Post by todhrimencuri on Jun 24, 2009 14:44:10 GMT -5
I read somewhere a while ago that the Iranian tribes back then looked nothing like the iranians now they were white Euro looking anyone got any info on that ? Theirs still some presence of this. Particularly in north iran. Where you can find people with European features. Given Arab conquest, Mongol conquest, migrations from the India and large migrations from Iran to Central Asia [where in some areas populations have European features] and into Europe is quite possible modern Iranians differ greatly from ancient PErsians. ^ Below is a picture published of*girl in northern Iran in 1971 (source: www.ghandchi.com/iranscope/Anthology/KavehFarrokh/300/index.htm) <-- I fidn the funnies thing the part about a black actor portraying Iranian in a Hollywood propaganda film. Persia does not equal Iran. Persia is simple a small part of southeastern Iran that formed the cultural and ruling elite of the entire country. In fact, the initial Persian rule was a mixed rule between Persian and Medes (another Iranian people). Calling all Iran Persian is like calling all Italy "Latin"
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