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Post by fazlinho on Jul 8, 2009 5:05:34 GMT -5
Bas seljak treba da zna vise o ljepoti. To možda u vašem društvu.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Jul 8, 2009 16:23:52 GMT -5
wtf is an indigenous balkanite? or is that a new term. The thing is most people want to forget the fact of their original genetic makeup and swap it for something that suits them which is sad.
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Post by Zvone on Jul 8, 2009 16:41:09 GMT -5
Haha
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Jul 8, 2009 19:34:49 GMT -5
^ That doesn't make sense since everyone is mixed almost equally in the balkans. Culturally though we're all pretty distinct. Of course it doesn't make sense. That's why only Albanians say it! ...all the time to Serbs. And though there is significant genetic overlap we are not mixed "almost equally."
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Jul 8, 2009 19:37:51 GMT -5
wtf is an indigenous balkanite? or is that a new term. An indigenous Balkanite is an Albanian. Dang where have you been the last few years, or don't you read Albanian posts?
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Post by Sh1 Shonić on Jul 8, 2009 20:09:25 GMT -5
Bas seljak treba da zna vise o ljepoti. To možda u vašem društvu. A sto ti njemu persiras?
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Post by fazlinho on Jul 9, 2009 6:23:39 GMT -5
Potpuno ništa, ako vi smatrate da seljaci znaju najviše o ljepoti općenito a posebno o urbanističkoj ljepoti i arhitekturi, znajte da to nije slučaj u našem društvu.
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Jul 9, 2009 7:02:29 GMT -5
No. The proto-Serbs (Serbian ruling caste was Iranic) but genetics dismisses that Serbs and Croats are of Iranic stock. Instead, it shows that Serbs and Croats are of primarily Balkan genetics (with Croats being significantly more Slavic than Serbs and Serbs significantly less). This coincides with naming the naming our peoples "Illyrians" or "Triballians" that had been going on since the middle ages up to the 19th century. Genetic dont dismiss that you pretend. R1a1-M17 is high among south slavs ( particularly Serbs, over 30%) Here is place where lived ancient serboi and this haplogroup is very high among them: Khojant (Tajakistan) = 67% (R1a1-M17) Ishkashim (Afganistan) = 68% (R1a1-M17) Southeast Iranic/Pamiri = 68% (R1a1-M17) this haplogroup among south europeans (Spanish, Portugals, Italian, Basques, Albanians is totally inexistence, near 1%)
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Post by fazlinho on Jul 9, 2009 7:17:52 GMT -5
Wow... after so many years... my eyes are full of tears... I couldn't, or perhaps I just didn't want to see... the reality, the one and only truth. I thought Serbs weren't my brothers when they clearly are... we are one big muslim brotherhood stretching from Tehran to Belgrade. No wonder Dodik talks about the beauty of Tehran on every occasion... ya Allah forgive me for my past deeds... No wonder Tadic met with Abbass just 2 days ago to talk about the liberation of Jerusalem www.sarajevo-x.com/clanak/090707087ONE FAITH ONE PEOPLE
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Post by Sh1 Shonić on Jul 9, 2009 7:51:13 GMT -5
Potpuno ništa, ako vi smatrate da seljaci znaju najviše o ljepoti općenito a posebno o urbanističkoj ljepoti i arhitekturi, znajte da to nije slučaj u našem društvu. Ko to mi i koje je to vase drustvo?
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Jul 9, 2009 9:20:30 GMT -5
Potpuno ništa, ako vi smatrate da seljaci znaju najviše o ljepoti općenito a posebno o urbanističkoj ljepoti i arhitekturi, znajte da to nije slučaj u našem društvu. Mislio sam na to sto seljak zivi u prirodi... medju planinima, rijeke, divljim zivotinjama itd. Blizi je Boga.
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Post by fazlinho on Jul 9, 2009 10:39:23 GMT -5
Ko to mi i koje je to vase drustvo? Valjda je vaše Srpsko, a naše Bošnjačko. Ne bih se složio sa time o Bogu, uglavnom još uvijek ne shvatam kako može seljak, baš zbog toga što živi okružen planinama i divljim životinjama, da zna više o urbanističkoj i arhitektonskoj ljepoti gradova.
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Post by Username on Jul 9, 2009 13:08:48 GMT -5
No. The proto-Serbs (Serbian ruling caste was Iranic) but genetics dismisses that Serbs and Croats are of Iranic stock. Instead, it shows that Serbs and Croats are of primarily Balkan genetics (with Croats being significantly more Slavic than Serbs and Serbs significantly less). This coincides with naming the naming our peoples "Illyrians" or "Triballians" that had been going on since the middle ages up to the 19th century. Genetic dont dismiss that you pretend. R1a1-M17 is high among south slavs ( particularly Serbs, over 30%) Here is place where lived ancient serboi and this haplogroup is very high among them: Khojant (Tajakistan) = 67% (R1a1-M17) Ishkashim (Afganistan) = 68% (R1a1-M17) Southeast Iranic/Pamiri = 68% (R1a1-M17) this haplogroup among south europeans (Spanish, Portugals, Italian, Basques, Albanians is totally inexistence, near 1%) First of all, my research says 15% of Serbs are R1a... 9% in Albania.. South Slavs, unlike other Slavs, have much smaller proportions of this haplogroup.. And umm.. Czechs for example are about 40% M17... and lots of other Eastern Europeans fit into that haplogroup as well.. R1a is a widespread haplogroup, spreading from Europe to Asia.. Are Czechs suddenly Iranian as well? And you do know that all European peoples came from the Middle East right? And before that Africa, right? At least when you compare Serbs to Albanians, more Serbs have been in Europe longer than Albanians.. who was in the Balkans first, I don't know though. The majority of Albanians (50%+) are latecomers to Europe, and don't belong to an original European haplogroup. If you want to compare it to other South Slavs like Croatians; 90%+ of them fit into an original European haplogroup.. The most common haplogroup among South Slavs is I.. found in Sardinians (Italy), Swedes, Norwegans, Danes, and North Germans.
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Post by insomniac on Jul 9, 2009 13:25:35 GMT -5
Did you pull out the statistics out of your ass.
I don't know much about genetic but i bet Shpata would've schooled you by now.
Considering Slavs came recently from Asia, it is hard to believe you are more European than us.
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Post by MiG on Jul 9, 2009 14:35:14 GMT -5
^ How recent is recent?
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Post by coke&broke on Jul 9, 2009 15:04:28 GMT -5
Genetic dont dismiss that you pretend. R1a1-M17 is high among south slavs ( particularly Serbs, over 30%) Here is place where lived ancient serboi and this haplogroup is very high among them: Khojant (Tajakistan) = 67% (R1a1-M17) Ishkashim (Afganistan) = 68% (R1a1-M17) Southeast Iranic/Pamiri = 68% (R1a1-M17) this haplogroup among south europeans (Spanish, Portugals, Italian, Basques, Albanians is totally inexistence, near 1%) First of all, my research says 15% of Serbs are R1a... 9% in Albania.. South Slavs, unlike other Slavs, have much smaller proportions of this haplogroup.. And umm.. Czechs for example are about 40% M17... and lots of other Eastern Europeans fit into that haplogroup as well.. R1a is a widespread haplogroup, spreading from Europe to Asia.. Are Czechs suddenly Iranian as well? And you do know that all European peoples came from the Middle East right? And before that Africa, right? At least when you compare Serbs to Albanians, more Serbs have been in Europe longer than Albanians.. who was in the Balkans first, I don't know though. The majority of Albanians (50%+) are latecomers to Europe, and don't belong to an original European haplogroup. If you want to compare it to other South Slavs like Croatians; 90%+ of them fit into an original European haplogroup.. The most common haplogroup among South Slavs is I.. found in Sardinians (Italy), Swedes, Norwegans, Danes, and North Germans. lol, this is the most amount of crap I have ever read. Even with my rudiementary knowledge of genetics, I still know you're full of s**t. What the hell is an original European haplogroup? All that says to me is that Croats may contain a high % of haplotypes that originated in Europe i.e the most recent haplotypes. Whereas Albanians on the other hand have a high % of haplotypes associated with Neolithic farmers. For example Albanians (especially Albanian Kosovars at 45%) have a high % of the haplotype e1b1b, which isn't considered a "European" gene, but pretty much widespread across the Balkans. On its Wikipedia page it says this; "The distribution and diversity of V13 are generally thought to be suggestive that it was brought to the Balkans along with early farming technologies, during the Neolithic expansion" And then something more interesting... "Significant frequencies of E-V13 have also been observed in towns in Wales, England and Scotland. The old trading town of Abergele on the northern coast of Wales in particular showed 7 out of 18 local people tested were in this lineage (approximately 40%), as reported in Weale et al. (2002). Bird (2007) attributes the overall presence of E-V13 in Great Britain, especially in areas of high frequency, to settlement during the 1st through 4th centuries CE by Roman soldiers from the Balkan peninsula. Bird proposes a connection to the modern region encompassing Kosovo, southern Serbia, northern Macedonia and extreme northwestern Bulgaria (a region corresponding to the Roman province of Moesia Superior), which was identified by Peričic et al. (2005) as harboring the highest frequency worldwide of this sub-clade[39]." Albanian Kosovars have the highest frequency of E-V13 in the Balkans, and the above shows that many of their ancestors may have been enlisted in the Roman army as soldiers of an Illyrian background. Anyway, Albanians, Greeks and to a certain extent Italians seem to have similar DNA...and I don't see anyone on here claiming that Greeks or Italians are latecomers to Europe like the [edit] above me. Dude, I don't care that you insult him, but find other ways to do it. Thanks for the cooperation. - MiG.
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Post by Username on Jul 9, 2009 15:34:08 GMT -5
By "original" (maybe a poor choice of words), I mean the first people to come to Europe in the Mesolithic era... Those haplogroups are I, R and N. The majority of Albanians fit into the haplogroups whose ancestors were later settlers into Europe, during the Neolithic and later ages. Although Serbia isn't too far behind Albania in those numbers.
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Post by MiG on Jul 9, 2009 15:41:11 GMT -5
..like the f*ggot above me. Did you mean me or Username?
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Post by Username on Jul 9, 2009 15:43:11 GMT -5
Did you pull out the statistics out of your ass. I don't know much about genetic but i bet Shpata would've schooled you by now. Considering Slavs came recently from Asia, it is hard to believe you are more European than us. Slavs is an ethnolinguistic term. We don't all share the same roots.. Like I said, haplogroup I is the most common in South Slavs.. just like in Sardinia for example, and Sweden.. but does that makes Swedes and Sardinians Slavs somehow? I don't think so.. Slavs recently came from Asia? Can you back yourself up a bit.. R1a (the most common haplogroup for most Slav groups) was one of the first haplogroups to enter into Europe.. meaning it is one of the original. At least I'm showing you some stats.. everything you say has no backing at all..
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Post by Username on Jul 9, 2009 15:45:44 GMT -5
..like the f*ggot above me. Did you mean me or Username? I'm pretty sure the self proclaimed coke head was talking to me. Yeah, and well evidence shows we are. So you can suck on that.
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