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Post by Patrinos on May 13, 2010 13:02:22 GMT -5
Bravo Thodhoraqi Bektashoglou. Do you hang around at any teke?
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on May 13, 2010 13:32:30 GMT -5
I think that people need to know when and where and how to speak.
What is the aim of portraying Muhammed as he did? Is it art? no.. Is it funny? not many laughed? does it have a point? hardly.. Was it to gain some fame .. of course.. then he can go f..k himself.
Freedom of speech should be restricted to the elite people who have brain cells and respect. How would he like it if I portrayed his mother eating donkey sh'it and giving a pig a blowjob?...
Im muslim, not religious, quite proud that I have a religion and belief, a fear of God... if I didnt I might have ended up like that arsehole cartoonist... I hope the Jihadis blow him a few new arseholes...
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Post by Patrinos on May 13, 2010 13:38:23 GMT -5
Since today i'm very good and polite, i will agree with hanum burek above.
Portray Kennedy with a napalm bomb on his head and watch Americans' reaction...
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on May 13, 2010 13:41:28 GMT -5
lucky for me.
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Post by Patrinos on May 13, 2010 14:02:07 GMT -5
btw, i was just watching an interview by Erdogan in a Greek channel. He seems reasonable man. If there weren't the kemalist generals to threaten him he may have been better.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on May 13, 2010 14:04:30 GMT -5
He is a puppet, and also the least cultured prime minister we have ever had. His personality revolts me. For the changes to the constitution he proposed well I agree with them wholeheartedly, IF they were for an advanced people, but since most of my people here are stupid sheep, that follow each other around in circles, i don't think they should be given any more freedom than necessary and perhaps they need a dictator to show them how to live.
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Post by Patrinos on May 13, 2010 14:08:18 GMT -5
are you with the other guy, who was caught on camera to cheat his wife, Baykal?
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on May 13, 2010 14:28:23 GMT -5
Nope, they all are pieces of sh.it. i want somebody fresh younger newer to come to power. these old dinosaurs only care about their egos and pockets.
I won't vote it makes me sick the politics here.
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Post by zoti on May 13, 2010 14:58:54 GMT -5
Im muslim, not religious, quite proud that I have a religion and belief, a fear of God... if I didnt I might have ended up like that arsehole cartoonist... I hope the Jihadis blow him a few new arseholes... Good thing you went back to Turkey cause you don't belong in Europe. Kýrios Souvlaki good one on Matmazel Burek
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Post by logjiktek on May 13, 2010 15:27:03 GMT -5
I think that people need to know when and where and how to speak. What is the aim of portraying Muhammed as he did? Is it art? no.. Is it funny? not many laughed? does it have a point? hardly.. Was it to gain some fame .. of course.. then he can go f..k himself. Freedom of speech should be restricted to the elite people who have brain cells and respect. How would he like it if I portrayed his mother eating donkey sh'it and giving a pig a blowjob?... Im muslim, not religious, quite proud that I have a religion and belief, a fear of God... if I didnt I might have ended up like that arsehole cartoonist... I hope the Jihadis blow him a few new arseholes... Look it's bad satire and the guy is being a d*ck. Agreed. Go through the proper legal channels, protest or do whatever else to stop him. To wish a "Jihadist.....blow him a few new arseholes" is a bit barbaric. Unless you're using a hyperbole, which I'm not too sure of...... And I'm sure God punished the cartoonist. He has nothing better to do then sending some lunatics to kill some dumbass cartoonist. I mean world hunger? Nah, God doesn't fck with that. Poverty shmoverty, God is too cool for that. But cartoonist depicting Mohammed, awwwwww shyttttttttttttt he crossed the line right thurrrrr. @ Donnie. I heard about the Southpark show. I think comedy central shares some blame as well. They're scared to show something that could effect them negatively.....which could result in less advertising $.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on May 13, 2010 15:55:49 GMT -5
Zoti and I care because you are the prime minister of where? or important because?
Isn't it my freedom of speech to state how I feel? I mean actually I don't have any connection to anyone with a headscarf in the whole of Turkey. Yet I feel supportive of the psycho jihadists, I hope this teaches some people how to portray their 'freedom on speech', when and how. He had an itch they will prolly scratch... its like lets make fun of the big ugly rotveiler.. yea lets keep digging a stick into it,,,, and then when the rottveiler attacks... whats the defense ' I was only playing'.....
Is it the rottveilers fault?
Doesn't this guy know how crazy these people are?... if he makes a choice to attack their beliefs he better be ready to be attacked.
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Post by zoti on May 13, 2010 16:15:15 GMT -5
Isn't it my freedom of speech to state how I feel? I mean actually I don't have any connection to anyone with a headscarf in the whole of Turkey. Yet I feel supportive of the psycho jihadists, I hope this teaches some people how to portray their 'freedom on speech', when and how. Don't worry DY soon you'll be wearing one too otherwise those Turkish "rotweillers" will be after you. It is coming. Turkey today is where Egypt was 50 years ago and is being reislamified all over again. Headscarves for everyone in only a few years. Mark my words.
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Post by leshte on May 13, 2010 17:34:15 GMT -5
The key here is the word respect. Now in the societies where we live respecting or not respecting a certain religion is not unlawful. Neither it is grounds for punishment or even worse in this case threats on someone's life. This isn't the middle ages, this isn't the times of the crusades or the inquisition. Also it isn't unlawful to be an a$$hole; however that also doesn't lay the grounds to threaten someone's life. This dude is operating within the law, no matter if a certain group of people regard him as an a$$hole or what he writes as a heresy. It doesn't matter. The laws of the society are well defined and he is acting with those laws.
Also DY, you should know better. This is a very stupid thing to say. If you like to have it that way I suggest you move to North Korea. The elite there do have indeed freedom of speech while the masses don't. Is that what you are advocating?
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Post by PARIS DIO_MYSUS! on May 13, 2010 19:03:58 GMT -5
God is too cool for that. Yah! Since I'm Prince Of Peace and Good Loving God people Must have Peace and Love another. To Me the Most Important is What is Beautiful is Holy! Also Call *Me MashAllah! Cheers!! Myself, mystAgogu Mysia JESUS The Messiah !!!
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Post by todhrimencuri on May 14, 2010 0:28:27 GMT -5
Your act of freedom of speech in promotion of limitations on the freedom of speech of others. It is backwards minded. The man is free to make fun of Muhammed just as anyone else. Whether it is me calling him in Alb: Mehamutin (eat my shit) or this guy depicting him as a dog. Just as it okay for me to call the Kuran: kur(vh)an (eats pussy).
This is it: You dont like it, you turn the otherway and keep walking and stop where you are interested. When you threat others you are acting against these principals. A lot of the Albanians here support me because most of us live and have been raised in the US (especially NY), where freedom of speech is treated very delicately on our local level of expression (general censorship is different).
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on May 14, 2010 11:41:31 GMT -5
I smile at these comments because Americans so called freedom of speech is demonstrated beautifully through their news channels and media. I'm sure u get that point. Freedom of speech- not freedom of insult. Do you understand the difference? Since people do not generally walk around telling each other exactly what they think of each other because it just isn't respectful or polite, why is it ok to mainstream an insult against a major world religion? By the way: Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. in Schenk v. U.S. (1919): a restriction is legitimate only if the speech in question poses a "clear and present danger" — i.e., a risk or threat to safety or to other public interests that is serious and imminent. This is from the 1st and 14th amendments to the US constitution. The above man certainly now is at grave risk and danger from his insulting behaviour towards Islam. I do not have a problem with you saying whatever u like about religion, I do not have a problem with anyone saying what they like. I do feel though that when people decide to speak they should think about it 100 times now he is prolly gonna get gangbanged by a group of jihadis toughsh.it to him He deserves it. Also I wonder what would happen if someone made the same comments about Malcolm X, Marcus Garvey, or even Rosa Parks in the USA. Or how about just make a public comment about black people You think they wouldnt get backlash? How about Jewish people? LOL u guys make me laugh this is just disrespect towards a religion, a provocation that was knowingly made, he knew full well what could happen to him, and now if it does,, Excellent. As for leshte.. Do you think that all people on this earth are equal? You think that everyone should be able to speak freely? you live in a dream world. Then let the pedo's talk about how sexy they find little boys, they should have their own newspaper about it,,, latest news 5 year boy has moved into rosemany gardens. - This wouldn't even break the law would it? There are laws restricting and regulating incitement, sedition, defamation, slander and libel, blasphemy, the expression of racial hatred, and conspiracy. In a world were it is illegal to talk of denying the holocaust u tell me there should be freedom of speech? Double standards anyone?
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Post by zoti on May 14, 2010 12:05:51 GMT -5
This is from the 1st and 14th amendments to the US constitution. The above man certainly now is at grave risk and danger from his insulting behaviour towards Islam. I do not have a problem with you saying whatever u like about religion, I do not have a problem with anyone saying what they like. I do feel though that when people decide to speak they should think about it 100 times now he is prolly gonna get gangbanged by a group of jihadis toughsh.it to him He deserves it. Your argument holds no water since he's not putting the public at danger but himself. Also I wonder what would happen if someone made the same comments about Malcolm X, Marcus Garvey, or even Rosa Parks in the USA. Or how about just make a public comment about black people You think they wouldnt get backlash? How about Jewish people? I love it when non-Americans chime in on the American freedom of speech as they clearly have no clue how things work here. Americans are fanatical about freedom of speech and they mean it when they say it unlike the Turks (where it doesn't even exist for that matter) or Europeans. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Party_of_America_v._Village_of_Skokie2010: www.foxnews.com/us/2010/02/15/ku-klux-klan-plans-rally-small-georgia-city/www.news4jax.com/news/22620856/detail.htmlAnother point that you Moslems don't get is that you have to be smart in fighting your battles instead of screaming "Allahu Akbar" on top of your lungs and vowing to kill anyone defaming your prophet. Lastly, denying the Holocaust is not illegal in the U.S. only frowned upon. Agains thanks for visiting and not making sense whatsoever.
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Post by thracian08 on May 14, 2010 12:12:38 GMT -5
I believe in freedom of speech; however, I also think that people should not be insulting each other due to their religion/race/ethnic background/sexual orientation etc. Of course there always will be people doing so no matter what is said.
Sure, you can go thru the proper channels, but there are always extremists in any religion, and trust me their always will be.
Just look at the NYC Pakistani Taliban guy. USA was bombing Pakistan tribal areas which millions of people had to flee. It is basically retaliatory b/c of USA meddling in world affairs. It would be strange not to expect such a thing given America's horrible handling of the Muslim world.
Just look at what happened to Mel Gibson when he talked about Jews. He had to apologize to them, and would have lost his Hollywood career if he hadn't done so.
If u notice in America, Jews are the only ones that constantly criticize both Christians and Muslims; and can ONLY criticize themselves. If anyone Christian or Muslim critcizes them, they will get into big trouble.
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Post by logjiktek on May 14, 2010 12:35:48 GMT -5
The chanters brought it upon themselves. They were not forced to attend the lecture, and considering Lars Vilks' history, Muslims could assume there could possibly be some derogatory comments made about their religion. Comparing his video to the "fire analogy", which often cited as an example to limit free speech, is ridiculous. Shouting fire, in say a theater, when there is no fire can cause panic and could lead to injuries . Making a video about a prophet should not lead to violence -- point blank. Vinjak made a great point that Lars Vils' was testing the crowd, and judging the video, he won LOL. Instead of shouting, protesting, leaving the lecture, you know acting like humans, they attacked him. Way to go. You really showed him and the world how peaceful you are.
The Muslim crowd has themselves to blame for their stupidity.
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Post by leshte on May 14, 2010 13:29:00 GMT -5
Ok, where do I start here. No not all people in this earth are equal. Equality is a subjective thing and absolute equality on all things is not necessarily a good thing. Check out communism just the working class where everyone was equal; see how that worked out. What we strive for is liberty and equality before the law. These should be absolute. Liberty for everyone to speak freely and equality before the law to do so. You intentionally confuse things. Everyone in the free world has the freedom to express its opinions and freely talk about it, as long as that does not constitute a crime. Talking against religions is not unlawful in the western societies. We do not live in theocracies. If you think that expressing negative opinions towards religions should be unlawful, Iran is what you're looking for. What you're saying about pedo's does constitute a crime indeed, and you know that very well. If you're not convinced go anywhere in the world and give it a try yourself, see how you end up. Whether you like it or not there is no law against mocking any religious figure. It all boils down to it. Now if you want to live in a state where mocking religions should be unlawful then a theocracy like Iran is where you want to be at.
Mocking a religious figure such as Mohamed or even Jesus Christ does not fall under any of those. Watch a little more South Park. It'll help you grow a thicker skin. If religions are allowed to speak negatively and mock atheists, or gentiles or gays, or whatever and that is perfectly legal, then why should it be illegal for anyone, any group to do the same thing to religions?
Get out of your bubble. It is not illegal to deny the holocaust. You will not be imprisoned or prosecuted from the state for doing so; and if you wanna live in that world nobody is gonna stop you from joining any white supremacist groups. Stop making up $hit now.
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