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Post by Kassandros on Jul 2, 2009 13:09:22 GMT -5
All hail Albania, land of the eagles, brave sons of skimperbeg!!!! YES YES SKENDERBEG , THE ONE WHO f**kED UP YOUR COUSENS THE TURKS PLEASE TELL ME ONE GREEK JUST ONE(NOT THE ONES WHO USE TO SPEAK ALBANIAN,OR A TURK GREEK) JUST ONE GREEK WHO MADE WAR TO THE TURKS ..only 1.. plus his 150 men and all these.. only from 1 random village... illyria.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=makedoniamacedonia&action=display&thread=2513
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Post by Kassandros on Jul 2, 2009 13:06:47 GMT -5
Sorry.. I though you did. I saw it so many times in these forums that I swear I see it in every sentence when I speak with someone about Chams.. WHAT IS A GENOCIDE?? WHAT IS AN ETHNIC CLEANSING?? THE CHAMS SUFFERET THE SAME AS ARMENIANS,ARMANIANS WERE ACCUSED BY THE TURKS AS COLABORATORS,TO JUSTIFYE THE TURKISH TERROR THE SAME THING THE GREEKS DID AND THE ONLY REASEN THE GREEKS DID THAT WAS COUSE THEY COULD ....ehm.... Armenians loses were 1,5 million mostly women and children. Chams loses were.. 50-100 people.. mostly men.. . Mainly was the fear of revenge that guided this people out. Not the actual revenge. We have to admitt.. there is some difference...
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Post by Kassandros on Jul 2, 2009 12:56:15 GMT -5
That is the story of most people in Greece.... We would have been at the same level as the Scandinavian countries if we tried a bit harder. The same goes for most of the Med world. Here is what marketing is doing in our lives.. Thats not the story of most people in Greece. Thats the story of people around globe. "They" have made you thing that NY is THE place to be and Miami is for.. lazy scums.. "They" have made you to think that ..waking up 5.30 in the morning ..taking the train in 6.30 .. travel 1.5 hour to your job ..work there 10-11 hours with very tension ..then take the train back for 1.5 hour .. and finally be in your home at 10am... exhausted.. without any will to have sex with your wife.... without any will to speak and play with your children... without any power in your body.... like a plant waiting to sleep and doing the same thing the next day.. ..and that is what you wish... for the Greeks?! No men.. let it be.. for Skandinavians.. Americans... English... Germans.. and let them shoot eachother from stress in post offices and shcools. Thats not the life of a human being. Thats a life of a battery. Normal people.. sleep 8 hours.. work 8 hours.. leisure time 8 hours. Thats normal. Whaterver different from that... guides to.. destroyed societies. ps. ..plus... It has nothing to do with Ottomans. It is the same.. and even "worst" in Spain, Portugal and Italy. People coming from countries with warm weather tend to appreciate and love life (instead of money) more than northeners.. Do you find it coincedence that all known civilizations and philosophical movements.. plus all the human studies.. started in Med Sea and climates like Med Sea.. ... and all big crimes, violence, houliganism and generally anyting that did harm the humanity.. started in north? ps2. Why do I have the feeling that those 12.. are from north countries? illyria.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=hellasgreece&action=display&thread=25092ps3..... I appreciate more heroin than the life you propose..
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Post by Kassandros on Jul 1, 2009 15:07:49 GMT -5
Welcome. Albanian or Turkalbanian? ...We have to know where to categorize you...
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Post by Kassandros on Jul 1, 2009 15:06:29 GMT -5
i hate greeks so much they should name an illness after it LOL. Gastritis and Arthritis sound like Greek names They are Greek names All medicine terms.. are Greek terms. That is how thing are when you invent stuff..... Unfortunately..you dont know the feeling.. dont you?
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Post by Kassandros on Jul 1, 2009 14:49:32 GMT -5
Although I like Serbia and Albania too.. I voted for Bulgaria for the same reasons Kastorianos mentioned. EU partner is what counts. We have exactly the same goals for the future of our countries.. and this makes Bulgaria reliable. Serbia sooner or later will follow that partnership. Its almost ready I believe... Albania, although I have some very friendly feelings for the country, its not reliable at all. Its too much under the US sphere of infuence.. and this means US plans for Balkans... and I dont feel very comfortable with this. Unfortunately, hard core European members know it, and until Albania prooves that can follow a strictly European policy, I think will be out. So, until all of the above happen..... I'm with Bulgaria. PS. Dont ask me for Vardarskans..
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Post by Kassandros on Jul 1, 2009 12:18:35 GMT -5
Sorry.. I though you did. I saw it so many times in these forums that I swear I see it in every sentence when I speak with someone about Chams..
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Post by Kassandros on Jul 1, 2009 12:11:20 GMT -5
unbeliavable. The moment I read what Kanaris said.. that movie came in my mind too.. ;D ;D No rescue for Melty. We will let him stay there.. and when he will come back... he will bring his new ideas and fresh air. Most propbaly he will start explaining us that he found the "real world" and that urban citizens are his new enemies now.. ;D ;D
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Post by Kassandros on Jul 1, 2009 12:01:06 GMT -5
How it started…
RuseBG: Oops. And how comes probably 90% of their folklore is similar to that in Pirin Bulgaria?
How it gone out of control to a personal level....
Pyrros then f**k you, you f**king Bulgarian w**re
Ofcourse these kind of “discussions” attract other "intlectuals" too..
Lib-fier shut the f*** up pycko, you crying little b1tch!
..and finally..one more destroyed Thread...
Only Novi seems to understand the problem and show some respect to other forum members...
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Post by Kassandros on Jul 1, 2009 11:45:46 GMT -5
btw...why the hell did most greeks in diaspora go to places that have real s**tty weather ? I mean New York, Chicago, Canada...what were these ppl thinking ?!? there are also many if Florida.. Tarbon Springs, Clear Water etc etc By the way.. in cold weather places you can find factories and business. In places with hot weather .. people tend to swim and drink beers.. I vote for the second! I dont like hard working. I like leisure time.. As... someone.. ... important commounist said... "We work to live, we dont live to work".... PS. I hate my fuc.king mortrage!!! It categorizes me to the ones who work hard... PS2. Have you ever thought that by taking a mortrage or a big loan... its a good way for states to control their population and the current status qvo? Thinking that the revolutionary period of a mans life and the period where he can take action is between 25-55... by "giving" you a loan for 25 years... they fully control your life. They make you work hard to pay back....so be realy tired at night... and be a quite boy so as not to loose your job.. means your house, car etc. What a better way? PS3. I'm not an anarchist nor a commounist.. .. just a Greek..
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Post by Kassandros on Jul 1, 2009 2:08:05 GMT -5
"Basil, in which sense was Milosevic a dictator? Just because "Ta Nea" or "Eleutherotypia" say so?" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- For 2 reasons:
1st is because Serbs themselves told so .... by burning down the parliament to force him to quit.... When somebody doesnt quit when the majority wants too.. then he is a dictator and the regime is no more democracy.
2ond because of his personal foolish tactics on minority issues that let US to interfeer so easily. He didnt follow the international norms so as to protect him and his country from... "willing democratic guys from White House"
Also todays Democracy in Greece has nothing to do with Athenean Democracy. With Athenean Democracy first was the state and then humans. Today is exactly the opposite.. and as you understand.. between humans are stupid humans too...
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Post by Kassandros on Jun 30, 2009 19:32:46 GMT -5
Well, well, there you go. Ioan and Basil sitting on their brains and talking out of their ass.es. ... .. and your... arguments are.. ? I told my personal opinion. Dont you think its time to tell us yours too.. ?
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Post by Kassandros on Jun 30, 2009 16:33:56 GMT -5
You know, an average Greek doesn't care about Albanians at all, its an internet thing... I think that what happens is that Albos touch Greeks' filotimo, if you know what it means...something like besa...because especially from the Albos who are not living in Greece there isn't a sign of thankfulness for the many hundreds of thousands immigrants that were accepted here and despite the not bad economic aftermath caused great troubles that only we know. Greek society seemed relatively very hospitable...Send 1.000.000 Alvanous immigrants in Sweden and then come and tell that I'm wrong... Ask any Albo here, who have lived long time here in Greece, ask Mendor, if the ,majority of the Greeks hadn't treat him well, of course with some exceptions. Its true though that the most antigreek guys here are those who we call tourkalvanous...and I ...wonder...why? I'll order some things of that you sell on youtube... ;D PS. And the Mikrasiates Greeks were much more europeans in all ways from every malok... Well, i understand the influx of populations Greece had to deal with. Being a neighbor which was better off economically; it should've played a different role. A much more mature rule when it came to dealings with the Balkans. Instead the role Greece played was pathetic. The obstructions during Kosovo war. The condemnation of Albanian immigrants by the media and social circles. The bad relationship with Fyrom. Sounds like the actions of an EU member country? A childish role with religious and nationalist rhetoric. That's why Greece will never be a leader in the Balkans. Having US plans about reformation of Balkans and borders and new nationalities above you head... is not really what makes you feel free to act like you want.... You first try to protect yourself.. and that guides to stupid political way of thinking.. At least we offer stability by our rule of "No change of borders" policies and by "dissapearing" any groups dreaming of Great Greece etc. In addition with the influx of that wave of immigrants.. and the means we had to accomodate them...then yes.. we did quite a good job. I wonder who else in Balkans could do it better... at least our way..?
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Post by Kassandros on Jun 30, 2009 16:31:48 GMT -5
In other worlds... when Sultan was giving free land to Chams just because they were Muslims and was letting Christians to die for starvation... that time.. Albanians had to say "No it not fair"... and this way they could prevent the next "unfair" move of the opposite site..There's Christian Chams as well. Some of the propaganda your state has fed you doesn't hold water in the modern world we're living now. Cut the crap with land being given. Chams were natives; that area has always been mixed. Who said they were not natives? Greek Epirots where natives too you know... but unfortunately for them.. they were Christian natives.. and that resulted to a mistreatment from the privilleged Muslim natives. PS. ..Christian Chams..? I dont know about them. What part they took during WW2? Bali Competar or Greek side?
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Post by Kassandros on Jun 30, 2009 16:22:51 GMT -5
To clarify something; Greeks like Serbians. Also, Greeks would be against ANY bombing of a Balkan city from ANY external power.Highly commendable. But when it comes to actions against a Balkan nation by another Balkan nation is another story. Since Greece is a friend of Serbia, then Greece supported the Serb expansion attempts in the Serb-Croatian war 91-95, but probably didn't like it when the Croatians kicked Serb as.s in '95. Greece, friend of Serbs, probably turned her back from seeing the atrocities the Serbs inflicted on the Kosovars, or the Bosnian genocide of 200,000 at the hands of the Serbians. I can go on, you know. But I am sure you get it!! Even if tomorow a Russian or US jet bombs Albania... I will against to. I just dont like big powers solving their power games... for one more time on poor Balkanians. Now.. when a Balkan nation is against a Balkan nation.. then we should stay outside this fight. that is what Greece is doing. There are organizations like EU to solve this problem. In case of Serbia and the war... there are mistakes from both sides. Of course Milocevits was a dictator.. and I dont like dictators who suppress minorities.... on the other hand... the formation of Muslim solid states in Balkans was the will of US.. and I'm against it. It was a weird situation.. I wish Serbia was not under Milocevits that time and had a real democracy so as we could help them officially! Then we could intervene somehow... But helping a dictator... its not so good for our profile.. But if you ask me.. what do you prefer.. "Bush or Milocevits".. I would say Milocevits. They're both dictators.. so.. I choose my neighbor
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Post by Kassandros on Jun 30, 2009 15:33:51 GMT -5
That's not a good thing either. Two wrongs don't make a right. Stop with the BS justifications. Its as clear as day. No ethnic cleansing is ever justified; never. Here we go again.. Read carefully.. NOBODY SAYS IS JUSTIFIED! We just say that in order that unjustice to happen.. some more unjust things have happen before. Its a series of unjust things. Chams is just the closest event and that is why we talk about it. Before that event.. other unjust events took place... and guided to this unjust event. its a series of things.. and in order the last event not to happen... Albs had to "fight" also the unjust of the Greeks before... and this way they could prevent the last unjust. In other worlds... when Sultan was giving free land to Chams just because they were Muslims and was letting Christians to die for starvation... that time.. Albanians had to say "No it not fair"... and this way they could prevent the next "unfair" move of the opposite site.. Its a series of unfair actions. Why to speak only about the last one on some specific innocent Chams.. only? Why not for all the series of all unfair events in that region?
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Post by Kassandros on Jun 30, 2009 15:24:11 GMT -5
I dont know.. in a weird way.. although they're clear Turkalbanians.. I cant hate them deep. Really now.. sometimes I think... "ok.. 1-2 slaps is enough... no more." I believe it has to do with.. mother and children relationship.. ? How can I hate my poor Dorian lost part of my tribe..?
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Post by Kassandros on Jun 30, 2009 15:19:52 GMT -5
I just despise them. They are the lowest in the Balkans, followed straight up the servs lol lol ;D There you're.. its all about that finally.. PS.. it is called deep complex... if you know what i mean..
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Post by Kassandros on Jun 30, 2009 15:16:03 GMT -5
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Post by Kassandros on Jun 30, 2009 15:06:17 GMT -5
no one takes basil seriously, he amuses me, we'll let it slide No one... Turkalbanian.. or no one.. Albanian? Never mind.. as far as I offer joy and amusement to members I'm happy! I did my part for a better and more happy world today too!
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