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Post by Kassandros on Jun 28, 2009 6:56:50 GMT -5
First of all, do you really believe that these revenge calls will stop to exist from the Turkalbanians? Are you kidding me? Dont be blind. These people hate Greece... for being Greece. They hate in generally the Hellenic civilization. Its the exactly opposite to their Ottoman one. So.. I really doubts that Chams issue has something to do with their revenge calls. It is far more deeper and it lies into their Ottoman souls. They have never forgive us for starting the revolutions and kick out Ottomans from Europe... Second, if things happen as you say... and Greece "apologize" to the Chams... then we'll have the first example in the world history where a winner who was first occupied by a regime of a clear war... apologizes to the agressor and the looser of that war. I think you ask to much... and I doubt that can happen because if we do that.... then Americans should ask apologize and should compensate Japanese, Polish should ask apologie from German commounity and compensate Germans, Yougoslavians should ask apologies from Hungarians in Voivodina and compensate them and finnaly Greeks have to offer also apologies to Bulgarian tropps and Bulgarians of Greece during WW2... who suffered during their retreat. Dont you find a little bit weird to happen..? And if it happens... what next? Should we disappear the statues from the burnt villages and the names of the villagers got burnt alive from our occupiers... in order not the above "loosers" of the war fill.. nervous? We should forget that 1/6 of our population died inside their land... in a war that we never started....because it not.. fair for some innocent ones from the "loosers" and agressors side? Is there a case to ask from us the future years to say "I'm sory for fighting back"? leshte... I think that your demands have nothing to do with reality. Just some politicians who gain votes from Chams keep pushing a Cham agenda with Greece and poison the bilateral relations and the rest of Greek and Albanian population....and all this comes in addition to natural Turkalbanian instincts of many in Albania and poisons even more these bilateral relations. Imagine Greek politicians doing the same thing and allowing Epirotic organization who suffered a lot from Chams... or allowing Epirotic organization who fight hard for an autonomus N.Epirus to handle our bilateral relations.. This is not European policy. This is a primitive form of "Policy ala Turka". Not applicable for Greece the last 30 years since we sign for EU.
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Post by Kassandros on Jun 28, 2009 6:28:46 GMT -5
First, by saying that 50% of the Greeks are Albanians... most propably you mean the Arvanites who are no more than 5% of the population and they're all located around Attica. In Macedonia, Thessaly, Thrace and Creta I doubt there is even one Arvanitis.. Second.. all that 5% would be Albanians... if they THEMSELVES said they were Albanians. What we have here is 1-2 Arvanites like Dimou or Kolias and some forum members saying Arvanites are not Greeks. The problem is that the other 99,99% of the Arvanites believes they're. Now.. what are we gonna believe? the 000000,1% or.. the rest? And if we believe that.. then why not to believe the 2,600 voters of Rainbow who say they're "suppresssed Macedonians"... and ignore the rest 2,5 million ones who oppose that stupidity? ..and if we believe both... then why Democracy and the rights of the many.... is needed?
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Post by Kassandros on Jun 27, 2009 22:22:54 GMT -5
Kanaris insulted you or someone.. I dont remember. It was an answer to an insult. The case that I talk about... are during a good converstation... with good arguments even from both sides... and suddenly.. out of a sudden... an "Albanian" gets in and starts cursing.. By chance... this "Albanian"... is always a Turkalbanian one It cant be chance...
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Post by Kassandros on Jun 27, 2009 22:12:24 GMT -5
I never said punishing the whole population for the acts of some is good! I just said it happened ALL over the world among the ones who lost in WW2. Not only with Albanian collaborators of Nazis... but with all collaborators of Axis powers. Unfortunately.. between these collaborators where big amounts of innocent people.
Dont forget.. we suffered 10 times worst in Asia minor from your 20-30,000 people. In our case 1,5 million! people lost their land... and many more than the Chams all together... their lives. Were they guilty because the Greek army decided to occupy Ankara?! No. they paid? yes. We nagging? NO! That is how life is... and that is how things are when you allow other powers to affect your policies. We paid.. they succeed in dealing with Turks good treaties. C'est la vie... now... you either want to speak with Chams and past... but be ready from Greece to speak about past and bring past events on the surface... with whatever it brings in the minds of our people... You know... I first read the attrocities of the Chams in this forum. After these readings and a search I started hated Chams. Most of the Greeks dont have the slightest idea who the Chams are and what they did. Are you sure you want to open Pandora's Boxes with pushing a Cham issue with your relations with Greece? Is it something you want to see in the future between Albania and Greece?
In Fyrom issue... except some people who were touch by that.. like me or other educated Macedonians... nobody knew nothing until 5-10 years ago. Now they all hate Fyromians deeply. That means easy to be manipulated at any given moment... from a more educated person. I even hated them even more... regardless the fact I know them far more than the average Greek. Is this what you want to happen with Albanians too?
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Post by Kassandros on Jun 27, 2009 21:56:55 GMT -5
look at you! In a conversation that you dont like... look at your comments just some minutes ago You're a Muslim.. dont you? I dont need to be God to see that...
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Post by Kassandros on Jun 27, 2009 21:53:56 GMT -5
Donnie... the most common posts of Turkalbanians are containg the words "kill", "f**k", "blood", "gay", "exterminate minority" etc etc etc. Come on.. dont tell me its a common thing among Greeks or any other christian and European member of these forums... it shows clearly who is what. I dont know each ones religion... i just guess it from the primitive posts....
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Post by Kassandros on Jun 27, 2009 21:41:50 GMT -5
..but assuming is from real life with real life examples.. and a bonus; Do you know that we learned about the one you call as War Law.... (it was the State of War for us).... the DAY it was cancelled by the Greek parliament? we didnt even know we had a state of war with Albania.. Listen leshte, I know one thing in my life. When a country wants to harm a different country.. it doesnt starts suddenly. First they "prepare" the population. They "feed" the population with bad stuff.. "genocides" etc etc... and there you go. They're doped and ready. It happened in Greece until recently with Turkey. It happened 20 years ago with Bulgaria. It never happened with FYROM and Albania. On your side... its obvious something is going wrong. On Fyrom's side its obvious something is going wrong too. PS. Chams is an issue that I dont want to touch now like I dont want to deal with the German attrocities in Greece in WW2. Its over If your governemt wants and helps to come up a Cham issue... is like telling me that Greek governemt must help and push the MAVI group to reorganize. You dont want these games now.. dont you?
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Post by Kassandros on Jun 27, 2009 21:35:07 GMT -5
Believe me.. .I'm not among the ones who are religious. I go to church for 1 hour in Christmas and 1 hour in Eastern. Not the typical religous person I believe.. But... in one way or another... religion brings additionaly many stuff together like attitude, way of seeing life, behavior etc etc. Different groups of people with different way of leaving. Now... look at the posts of... Zoti, worldpeace, Toskali, babaliu etc etc. Look also the posts of Christian Albanians even if they hate Greeks too in order to proove themselves to the above Turkalbanians. Am I the only one that sees a different way of ... "expression" between these 2 groups? Its like talking with 2 different nations. The uneducated and primitive one..... and an educated one (regardless what their views are). Am I the only one that can see that Christian Albanians... are more... lets say... civilized people?
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Post by Kassandros on Jun 27, 2009 21:19:23 GMT -5
I dont claim superior education... in a talk with good arguments. I claim just the simplest education when it comes to black and white. You dont have to have superior education to differentiate between black and white. Just a typical critical thinking is enough.
Now, although you dont seem to respond to my arguments, I wonder one thing more; Why Greek state, since it was so hostile and wants Albanian land and N.Epirus piece of land, didnt raise us with hate towards Albania and didnt made us ready for war with Albanians? It did it with Turks. Why not with you too? Yours did it and it is obvious. Why ours didnt the last 40 years that I'm alive?
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Post by Kassandros on Jun 27, 2009 21:10:54 GMT -5
Donnie... the way you talk... I think you dont like me... ;D ;D Never mind... I will survive even without your love... Insalah and Allah ak bar.. again! ;D ;D
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Post by Kassandros on Jun 27, 2009 21:08:47 GMT -5
I think a visit to Albania would do you a lot of good. Its as if I'm reading the Greek press when I read some your posts. Let me know; I will most likely be there this summer for a month. If you want to take a trip up north; lemme know. Sooner or later I will go to Albania. Not this summer.. but for sure I will. I dont know who will prevail there... the Turkalbanians or the Albanians... but for sure I will go. Even with a burga! ;D ;D Its the only state of Balkans I havent been yet and I will. I will let you know when the time comes...
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Post by Kassandros on Jun 27, 2009 21:04:19 GMT -5
leshte, be careful....watch your *cough* back....you'd be dealing with a gay orthoturko after all Train station in Thessaloniki too? ;D ;D
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Post by Kassandros on Jun 27, 2009 21:03:24 GMT -5
For as long as you use the term "turkalbanian", nobody will bother to read your boring posts, Basil, let alone actually listen to your "advice". Not because it's particularly insulting -- most people don't get insulted by a dimwit -- but simply because it adds to the impression of you as a person with limited intellectual capacity and sincere concern for the Albanian nation. Just an advice from a "turkalbanian". Donnie... really now; do I look like a guy that would like to be loved by an "Albanian" with Turkik heritage? ;D ;D Come on.. give me a break.... I usually exchange posts and have conversations with average Albanians.. you know... Christians, educated and Europeans. The Asian part of your culture and that heritage does not interest me as you have seen... and far more.... the last thing I want is bridges between Hellenes and Asians north of us. Keep posting to your clan... and let me speak with my clan. The European one. Insalah and Allah ak bar....
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Post by Kassandros on Jun 27, 2009 20:51:51 GMT -5
leshte.. if a I'm under attack from 10 big guys.. .believe me.. I would have choosen as ally even my worst enemy if he was under attack from the same 10 big guys. You try to make me believe that during the time Greeks were struggling to survive against a strong Italy and even stronger Germany ready to come and help.... Greeks had in mind to bomb inocent Albanians... who silmutaneously were... our allies in our fight?! Leshte... sorry dude... I'm near 40... well educated... and it is very hard for me to bite that. Let Zoti and others buy it. Not me. I will feel very ashamed if I do that... It reminds me my first talkings in the beach bar I used to work, with an Albanian guy working with me... and telling me.. "What the f.uck.... you all dancing and drinking beers with girls in G-Strings.... and we have been told by Hotza to wait for your attack at any given moment!" ;D ;D At least he got it... I wonder how YOU buy it..?
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Post by Kassandros on Jun 27, 2009 20:35:20 GMT -5
Suzuki Vstrom..? Just a bad imitation of my Honda Transalp..
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Post by Kassandros on Jun 27, 2009 20:27:27 GMT -5
You have a country with no government bodies in place and a mobilizing army in its borders. Where else in the world would the party involved not consider that a threat. Sorry we didn't read the horoscope during that time to get in the heads of the Greek government and the Greek army guys to know what the army was gonna do next. Especially considering our not so friendly past. Also we do not know today nor can we say if the statement coming from the Turkish prime minister was what prevented any incursion of the Greek troops or if an incursion was their goal at all. What we can say is that for that time in a country with no government bodies in place the general population viewed the mobilization of the Greek army on our southern border as grounds for possible attack hence a threat. There is nothing illogical or brainwashing with that kind of thinking. If you watch world politcs.. its a RULE when you have a country next to you in a tottal mess and not ANY leader to be in charge... the least you should do is to block your borders! Thats a rule in all civilized societies. Now, we have a mixture of Albanians like the previous one (Aristidi Kolia)... and Turkish PM knowing that avegare Albanians are like him..... and he manipulates things. Turkish PM knew from the first moment that Greece.. and I repeat it!... EU AND NATO MEMBER will never attack to a neighbouring country.... but you see... is the average Albanian that helps him to do such statememnts. Its like Greece... after seeing a Danish or Belgioum ship in the Golf saying to the press.. that "If Belgium and Denmark attack Iran.. we'll fight for Iran's freedom!" The next day we'll be heroes for Iranians... and Belgians and Danish will be looking at us like a 3rd world country. The same the rest Europeans are looking Turkey. Now do you get what it means in the world politics arena "Policy ala Turka".... a very known worldwide definition? Do you understand why the average Turkalbanian feels comfortable with Turkish state of mind? Its all about progress and broadness of mind. I'm sorry to tell you, but Albania is still in condition where everybody can rock you they way he wants. Albanian society is still uneducated and strungles for survival. Its not ready to cope with manipulation from other parts yet. Lets hope that your entrance in EU bodies will speed up the state of mind and tottal way of thinking... It will be you that will have to educate and push forward peasants like Aristidi Kolia and other Turkalbanian forum members. Its your job.. not ours. We got rid of our "Aristidis Kolias" and moved forward to reach the other European nations. We're on the way.. but keep going. You.. on the other side... the only thing you succeed it was to buy some used Mercedes and built some new homes. Just the survival kit. Nothing about the spirit yet...
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Post by Kassandros on Jun 27, 2009 20:05:32 GMT -5
Granpa was a Partizan since he was 14. The point is that the goal of the Greeks inside Albania was more than just fight against the Italians. The justification was the Italians. The rest is; well we know the rest. So he was a Partizan, fighting the same people Greeks were fighting... and Greeks bombed their house the same time they were under attack from 10 times stronger Faschist army? Why it doesnt sound normal..?
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Post by Kassandros on Jun 27, 2009 20:00:16 GMT -5
but..but.... you're Albanian. Hey Ari... this reminds me of Albania and Albanians... ;D ;D
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Post by Kassandros on Jun 27, 2009 15:05:29 GMT -5
Dont let it happen again then; buy an umbrella. ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Kassandros on Jun 27, 2009 14:45:45 GMT -5
leshte "Hey you seem to know all their places go ahead." ----------------------------------------------------------- lol lol ;D ;D ..yes.. I have to admit... it was that lonely, cold and rainy night... the wind was blowing... I didnt have money to learn a new foreign language... I felt so empty and lonely..... and you know... It happened. ;D ;D
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