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Post by Kassandros on Jun 30, 2009 15:04:26 GMT -5
What tune? That I dont admitt to use the world "genocide"... for the Chams.. as we use it for Jews and Armenians? Dont you find it a little bit insulting for these 2 nations..?Stop assuming; I never asked for that, claimed that or want that. Do not project your thoughts on my posts. Second no need for a 1 page post; with all kind of lame justifications. All you need to say is that ethnic cleansing is wrong for Chams, Greeks and anyone else; and ethinically cleansing the Chams was not right and neither it was justified. Thats all I've been saying. Then you'll have the moral ground to be repulsed by the claims of some people to take revenge on the Greeks for ethnically cleansing the Chams. Until then; nothings changed. The moment you stop speaking in a provokative way about.. "a genocide".. then maybe I start to change my tune too.. We both know that it has nothing to do with a "genocide".. but you keep using this word. How do you expect then other to be fair when you yourself uses provokative language?
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Post by Kassandros on Jun 30, 2009 14:54:30 GMT -5
Yeah 1/3 of Greece is mainland 2/3 is anatolian pop. that were invited to come. Like i said the urban civil Greeks such as Bibleriot. I think there is a chance of cooperation there. Such people are our closest kin. I would say. The trouth is... that Anatolian Greeks... were Mainland Greeks before they go to the colonies of the East.. So... speaking about real genes.. they're both mainlanders with some thousand of years gap.. Also... you know.. they were not exactly.. "invited".. The sea of Smyrni in Asia Minor was red from the blood... About the urban civil Greeks who had to have interaction with villager Albanians which is the biggest percentage.. what you have to say about... this experience..? It is what I was saying in my posts. The problem is not between Greeks and Albanians. The problem is between Greeks in the cities and Albanian villagers who came in the Greek cities from isolated ex-Hotza villages. What a combination eh?
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Post by Kassandros on Jun 29, 2009 13:45:51 GMT -5
You never stated that Greece should apologize??! But... how the hell all these Chams will take their properties back.. or gaid paid in money... or the Greeks express their sorrow for the misery they gave to the innocent guys as you say.. or change their history books and start looking with sympathy the biggest population of Chams?
In order all of these to happen... there must be an official apology like Germans did to Jewish people.. I never asked for any of the above. You are projecting your thoughts on my posts. Read my posts before you start typing. Its obvious you haven't read them. Read before assuming. As for Zoti's or other people's posts you guys aren't doing anything better by not denouncing the fact that there were thousands of innocent people that were punished when you ethnically cleansed the Chams. You have yet to state that what was done,ethnic cleansing, was wrong. Not only that but you guys zealously support their ethnic cleansing. You and them are the same coin, just different sides. Read my posts. You support the ethnic cleansing of Chams they support the ethnic cleansing of Greeks. Same argument you are making is what they are making. Until you change your tune you have no grounds for complaining. What tune? That I dont admitt to use the world "genocide"... for the Chams.. as we use it for Jews and Armenians? Dont you find it a little bit insulting for these 2 nations..? And second, that I claim that Human cleansing of innocent people is bad.. for ALL... the innocent loosers of WW2? I see nothing fanatic in my posts. I admit that some Chams were unlucky for being just Chams... but... that is life with ALL the loosers of ALL wars. For example.. in the begining of WW2... some Greeks in Epirus were unlucky... just for not being Chams.... Also.. some Chams... during Ottoman Empire were extremely lucky just because they were Muslims... and the same time... some Greeks were extremely unlucky just because they were Christians. All I say is.. that is how world moves when you take position of one party or another. Sometimes you gain.. sometimes you pay. For example, if Albania stays neutral in a war between Greece-Turkey.. thats fine. If they take the part of Turkey.. and Turkey wins... then you'll have for free as "present" from Turks all of Epirus... whatever that means for the Greek Epirots leaving there. If they take the part of Turkey... and Turkey looses... then... you know.... So.. its like you coming and telling me... why Greece will harm Albanians in the last case?! Isnt it nuts enough..? Thats the way it is when you choose sides. Thats my official answer Also, dont compare me with other; Greek minoritans dont take any position.. but your friends wants them to .. pay. Thats not very fair... Its too Turkik for me...
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Post by Kassandros on Jun 29, 2009 13:34:32 GMT -5
Why ME cut balls off?!! Cut Kanaris balls off..!! I choose the left leg and arm... Cause Kanaris is more Albanian than you hence he needs larger parts of his body removed. Whereas your Albanian part is minuscule so I decided to remove the tiniest parts in your body, your balls. ...and where do YOU know how it looks that part of my body..? ;D ;D
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Post by Kassandros on Jun 29, 2009 13:33:01 GMT -5
MARSHALLA, IF I HAVE TO f**k GREEKS THEY BETTER BE TIGHT ...and one more brilliant speech with an outstanding vocabulary... ;D ;D The recarnation of Demosthenes.. ;D ;D
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Post by Kassandros on Jun 29, 2009 13:30:52 GMT -5
^^^^ Hmmm... hmmm.... hmmm.... and you choose to be an Albanian??? Hmmm... hmmm... trying to understand your logic here. Your making me laugh my ass off tonight. Not sure if I am tired or your just comical. Things are getting blurry here. WHAT IF I PUT MY ALBANIAN MUSLIM c**k IN YOUR MOUTH CAN U STILL LAUGHT? ? ..another one brilliant Turkalbanian new member with obvious rhetorical skills... ;D
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Post by Kassandros on Jun 29, 2009 13:25:55 GMT -5
Let's all take a guess at the % of Albanianess of each of the forums visitors from the South and the appropriate action each one must take to rid oneself of that %. Karta - 100% Albanian (Kill self) Kanaris - 20-30% Albanian (Cut left leg and arm) Kastorianos - 50% Albanian (Cut the lower part of your body) MonsterofSouli - 100% Albanian (Kill self) Patrinos - 70-80% Albanian (Keep head burn the rest of the body) Pyrros - Need help with this one as I don't much about him BasilMacedon - 1-2% Albanian (Cut balls off) Why ME cut balls off?!! Cut Kanaris balls off..!! I choose the left leg and arm...
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Post by Kassandros on Jun 29, 2009 13:19:03 GMT -5
Illegal immigrants final decision? ? What is it?? Delayed till Friday, but that was 12 June!!!! Well, what's up with it? I wrote it before. "Regarding the summit over the illegal immigration.. again central and north former Commounist EU countries.. dont care. Poland, Czech Republic etc dont want to contribute to fight the illegal immigration in Med Sea since they dont have a problem with that. None illegal immigrants goes in these countries after they enter Europe.. and the feel safe. On the other hand, they all agreed to pay ALL the expences Greece is doing to repatriate these people. Also many agreed to help with planes and some ships to guard Aegean." That was the outcome...
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Post by Kassandros on Jun 29, 2009 13:17:05 GMT -5
yeap.. these 2 seem to do their job very well. I know them from the previous years. They have balls.. to go against the line of US Foreign Office Bureau. They even make that American ambassador in Skopje (Bush's boy)... to loose his worlds... when they told hime he harms America with the line he follows..
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Post by Kassandros on Jun 29, 2009 13:13:11 GMT -5
I care less.. really. With only 2,00o old Greeks left.... and considering what we had to give in "exchange" to the "Policy ala Turka" they practice... I care less. www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/domestic/11961369.asp?scr=1Reciprocity principle
"Turkey needs to address the religious needs of the Orthodox community as well as Greece needs to address the needs of the Turkish community in Western Thrace. These are domestic matters for both countries," said Baðýþ. Although the reciprocity principle is not a must, both countries must tackle the problems simultaneously Baðýþ underlined.They do it ONLY because US is interested so as not the Ecumenical Patriarch moves to Moscow... and because EU demands it. Its not our job.... Greece better stay our it. Its not our job. We took all the neccessary steps with the Muslim minority in Thrace we entered in EU. Its their turn.. No need for more talking on that with them.
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Post by Kassandros on Jun 29, 2009 13:07:12 GMT -5
Basil, that was so insane, that i wont bother commenting. DUDE, you let IOAN, RUSEBG running wild in here, just because you like Bulgaria to take FYROM, and *THINK* you solved your problem? Not even my 4 year son would think so naively. The answer IS NOT in Bulgaria (and maybe not in Serbia either). My initial message was in plural. To the 3 of you. Only Novi and Ioan seems to understand there is a problem.. PS. I like Bulgaria.. and I equally like Serbia too! you know... You make it again sound like I'm an enemy of all Serbian people... because I proposed to all of you to stop destroying every topic..
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Post by Kassandros on Jun 29, 2009 12:57:31 GMT -5
...how the f.... why...why do you know and are so keen on albanians polititians, its like you know everything, i can honestly say that i have no idea about greek politics, i mean i couldn't give a fiddler's toss, apart from that fine MILF Bakojanis, i'd knock the dust off that poonany, but other than that nothing, i would hate myself if i was so knowledgeful about your politics, i'd feel so dirty, what is your fascination? for a bunch of racist greek halflings you know all the current affairs and ins and outs, its perplexing to me. fieri09.. not very smart post... and not very brilliant to know nothing about politics around you.. When you were younger.. let me guess.. you were reading only the newspaper of ...your village?
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Post by Kassandros on Jun 29, 2009 12:52:29 GMT -5
Basil, i read up to the word afganistan. then i realized i must not waste my time reading the rest. Basil, we the rest of balkanians, when we like to downlook or ignore the existence of Yugoslavia, we are acting like peasant hypocrites who refuse to acknowledge the presence of an elephant in the room. They tried to hide this elephant (NEA, VIMA, Eleutherotypia, kai ola ta neotaksika skata). Hard to happen. BASIL, yesterday i heard a Story, i will post it to the Serbian forum. Read it. Shonic! Nice sentence! Sve najbolje tamo u Americi! " when we like to downlook or ignore the existence of Yugoslavia, we are acting like peasant hypocrites who refuse to acknowledge the presence of an elephant in the roomwhat"... all this mania ... where it stems from?!! We're Greeks. Do you think we're among the ones who are controlled by Western Media? How the hell it comes that into your mind?! ??! It sounds like.. Greeks and other Balkanians dont know nothing... we fully controled by US... we have swolled Western Media propaganda... and you're the only one who knows the big throuth! Remember the position of the Greek people during the bombing of Belgrade! How it comes and sudenly you believe you're the only one who knows the deep trouth... and all of us we seem like we hate Serbia or ex-Yougoslavia and we know nothing about the trouth... or we're puppets of US official external policy in Balkans?... because that is how it sounds... To clarify something; Greeks like Serbians. Also, Greeks would be against ANY bombing of a Balkan city from ANY external power. That is Greece.. that is us. Stop presenting us like we play big power games against a good neighbor like Serbia. Its quite insulting.. PS. ..plus... Aphganistan has very beautiful mountains and extremely view from the top of these mountains! Better than Greece and Serbia!
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Post by Kassandros on Jun 28, 2009 13:41:25 GMT -5
So.. I really doubts that Chams issue has something to do with their revenge calls. It is far more deeper and it lies into their Ottoman souls. They have never forgive us for starting the revolutions and kick out Ottomans from Europe...I don't know whether this is paranoia or brainwashing. P.S I never stated anything about Greece apologizing. Stop assuming things. Read again what I wrote. You speak about paranoia or brainwashing of Zoti and Toskali.? I dont know.. for sure its not normal in all their posts to wish death and wipe out of Greek minority. It quite sick.. isnt it eh? You never stated that Greece should apologize??! But... how the hell all these Chams will take their properties back.. or gaid paid in money... or the Greeks express their sorrow for the misery they gave to the innocent guys as you say.. or change their history books and start looking with sympathy the biggest population of Chams? In order all of these to happen... there must be an official apology like Germans did to Jewish people..
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Post by Kassandros on Jun 28, 2009 13:35:27 GMT -5
Suzuki Vstrom..? Just a bad imitation of my Honda Transalp.. "Logic" ?! ;D if you ride a motorcycle and not a donkey.. it is quite logical. At least for the ones interested in motorcycles and knows about Honda and Suzuki.. Never mind.. you're out of it..
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Post by Kassandros on Jun 28, 2009 13:33:05 GMT -5
Ilirdardani No they weren't, they say they are Greek now, just like the rest of the Albos in Greece, because Greece as a state makes them do that, you either become a Greek by adding few ises ases or whatever else they add to last names, or remain a immigrant. Majority of Albos did change their names, therefore becoming traitors in my eyes for changing their identity and accepting the crap from the Greek govt.
So.. Jenifor Aniston, George Michael and other Greek Americans who changed their names... are traitors of Greece? Also.. US forced them to change their names?
I never thought it this way... you're so wise dude!
And about Albs not being mentioned for that period of time you're asking all I have to say is that we've been mentioned for thousands of years, even by your Greek historians, which knew the real history, lot of them hid it and re-created it by saying different s**t and not mentioning Albs, but we've been in the Balkans just about as long as the Greeks have been, and I would bet my life that we're more ancient than you guys, which mixed with Turks and other middle eastern types (iran etc) since they always crossed your 'land' to try and invade europe.
..and that is exactly why Greeks are only 11 million and Western Turks and Iranians are so many are so Meds.... Thank you.. that is what I always was trying to say..
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Post by Kassandros on Jun 28, 2009 13:15:46 GMT -5
The problem is that you're the only one that sees not problem in the normal flow of these forums... Open one post and discuss there as much as you want. You do it in EVERY post regardless what the post is about. That has become extremely annoying for other forum members who try to discuss various topics... but again you jump on the new post and you start all over again for a topic that has gone toooo far. ..and you're a Moderator too....
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Post by Kassandros on Jun 28, 2009 13:12:40 GMT -5
In Banja Vrucica they might have this and that.. and that is the patern all over the world. Even Aphgans may have some better things from us... and we have some better things from USA. That is how the world moves. But praising to God for us to become identical with Serbians or at least trying to folow every one of their steps exclusively... that sounds a little bit sick... Its good Greece to take some good things from Serbia, from Bulgaria, from Sweden etc. Thats a good thing. But trying to denounce what you are... and copy to death a specific country... then with have a clear problem with identity crisis........ and I dont have that kind of a problem. Its sick and it reminds me Fyromians and real Macedonia. Is like trying to become something... that it is not you. And to remind you... we have many many disadvantagees... but somehow we have succed to survive in the most dangerous area in the world with always a quite adequate standards of living the last 5000 years. I'm sure we did something right in order that to happen. So.. most propably others have to watch Greeks and take some courses on "Survival for 5000 years 101" than we do from others....
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Post by Kassandros on Jun 28, 2009 13:02:08 GMT -5
The Macedonian people have a State called the Republic of Macedonia. The Macedonian language is officially a language. With those two criteria met, you can not call the Macedonian language a dialect of another. It is simply: Macedonian. Wrong. The Macedonian people have a region called Macedonia the last 3000 years and a capital called Thessaloniki the last 2,300 years. The Macedonian dialect is officially recognized as Dorian dialect. With these 2 criterions met... you cannot have newbees "Macedonians" who have Slavic origins the last 1400 years.
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Post by Kassandros on Jun 28, 2009 7:00:18 GMT -5
guys... you know that you have destroyed almost all posts.. ? Almost every single post in illyria forums... regardless the tittle is being destroyed by you 2. You know that.. dont you?
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