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Post by Patrinos on Oct 26, 2010 5:05:04 GMT -5
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Post by Patrinos on Oct 26, 2010 5:02:25 GMT -5
gomari is a greek word... bajraktari a turkish one. vetuli in greek means the little sheep why should anyone be called "meeting" ;D Gomari in Greek (Gaidaros)γάιδαρος.....Gomari is Albanian word..Good you understand it.That is a sign that your ancestors spoke Albanian translate.google.com/#sq|en|gomari%0A%0AOups!!!Doesn't work in Greek..... translate.google.com/#sq|el|gomari%0A%0AHasi also is a region in North Albania Vetulla-Vetulas...Not Vetuli(is a big difference there) What "gomari" is an albanian word loaned to Greek? WTF? you are completely clueless. The word is recorded in greek since hellenistic times, and it derived from the classical "gomos"(the load of the donkey) plus the suffix "-arion" , and meant simply donkey. So when Konstantinos Porphyrogennetos wrote about "gomari" he spoke albanian? "Hasi" is a turkish word that means an area attributed to the Ottoman state, similar to the "timar". en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timar
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Post by Patrinos on Oct 25, 2010 17:48:50 GMT -5
Bato please stop insulting ...those names you posted more than half of them were Albanised...Who the f**k you think you people are? Have you looked in the mirror lately? Pathetic attempt on your part I overestimated your brilliance. Gjata? ... Giatas! .... Tall in Albanian Shkurti? ... Skourtis!... Short in albanian Gjika? ... Gikas! Hasi? ... Xasis!... .Meeting in Albanian Bishti? ... Bistis!.... Tail in Albanian Luga? ... Lougas!... Spoon in Albanian Koka? ... Kokkas!.... Head in Albanian Gishti? ... Gistis!..... Finger in Albanian Floku? ... Flokas!.... Hair in Albanian Gjuha? ... Gioxas!... Tongue in Albanian Dashi? ... Ntas(s)i!... Ram in Albanian Lekura? ... Likoura!... Skin in Albanian Zoto? ... Zotos!..... God in Albanian Cani? ... Tsanis!.... Lopa? ... Liopas!.... Cow in Albanian Delja? ... Ntelias!.... Sheep in Albanian Gomari? ... Gomarios!.... Donkey in Albanian Vetulla? ... Vetoulas!... Eyebrow in Albanian Matjani? ... Matianis!....A person from Mati region Shkodra? ... Skodras (or) Skotras! Bytha? ... Bithas!.... Ar@e in Albanian Guri? ... Gouris!..... Stone in Albanian Bajraktari? ... Bairaktaris! Shqiptari? ... Skepetaris(or) Skipetarios! gomari is a greek word... bajraktari a turkish one. vetuli in greek means the little sheep why should anyone be called "meeting" ;D
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Post by Patrinos on Oct 25, 2010 17:46:05 GMT -5
Bato please stop insulting ...those names you posted more than half of them were Albanised...Who the f**k you think you people are? Have you looked in the mirror lately? Pathetic attempt on your part I overestimated your brilliance. Gjata? ... Giatas! .... Tall in Albanian Shkurti? ... Skourtis!... Short in albanian Gjika? ... Gikas! Hasi? ... Xasis!... .Meeting in Albanian Bishti? ... Bistis!.... Tail in Albanian Luga? ... Lougas!... Spoon in Albanian Koka? ... Kokkas!.... Head in Albanian Gishti? ... Gistis!..... Finger in Albanian Floku? ... Flokas!.... Hair in Albanian Gjuha? ... Gioxas!... Tongue in Albanian Dashi? ... Ntas(s)i!... Ram in Albanian Lekura? ... Likoura!... Skin in Albanian Zoto? ... Zotos!..... God in Albanian Cani? ... Tsanis!.... Lopa? ... Liopas!.... Cow in Albanian Delja? ... Ntelias!.... Sheep in Albanian Gomari? ... Gomarios!.... Donkey in Albanian Vetulla? ... Vetoulas!... Eyebrow in Albanian Matjani? ... Matianis!....A person from Mati region Shkodra? ... Skodras (or) Skotras! Bytha? ... Bithas!.... Ar@e in Albanian Guri? ... Gouris!..... Stone in Albanian Bajraktari? ... Bairaktaris! Shqiptari? ... Skepetaris(or) Skipetarios! whats the point? that many Arvanites have arvanitic surnames? great news... What are these...? Ajdhoni Anagnosti Angoni Apostoli Araniti Asimi Astrit Bistika Caridha Cukali Cukalla Dhaskali Dheskali Dhimitri Dhrako Ekonomi Farmaqi Gallani Gero Gjeraqina Grameno Greku Gurguri Haralabi Harizi Helidon Idhromeno Ikonomi Janaqi Jani Janinoti Jatro Jorgaqi Jorgo Kabadhi Kabili Kalivopuli Kallogjeri Kallulli Kalo Kanaqi Karamitro Karbunara Kasimati Kastrioti Kerama Kirka Konduri Konomi Koraqi Kordoni Korkuti Koroni Kosta Krisafi Kristoforidhi Kristuli Kulluri Kumaraku Kumbaro Kuteli Kutrolli Labinoti Lako Ligori Liko Limoni Llavdaniti Mantho Marmullaku Melonari Mesiti Milaqi Mosko Mullara Neranxi Nisioti Orollogaj Palikari Pallamari Palluqi Panajoti Panariti Pano Papaargjir Papadhimitri Papadhopulli Papailia Papajani Papajorgji Papakozma Papakroni Papaluli Papamihali Papanikolla Papaqako Paparisto Paparusi Papathemiu Papavrami Parangoni Peristere Petriti Polizoi Progoni Qako Qefalia Qipro Qirici Qirjako Qirjazi Qirjo Quku Qyrana Rodhe Samara Samarxhi Saqellari Shkulaku Sidheri Soglioti Sopiqoti Sotiri Spano Stathi Stavro Stefanidhi Sterjo Strati Stratoberdha Thanasi Themeli Tigani Trifoni Voskopi Vreto Vrioni Gunariu Harito Papagjika Ikonomidhi Kofina Zarkadha Zguro Zografi Dhiamandi Diamanti Parisi Zaho Vrahoriti Matohiti Sotiri Naqo Llambro Vlonjati Karandrea Aleksi
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Post by Patrinos on Oct 25, 2010 16:45:51 GMT -5
How many times you wish to be pwned today bato? Is Nikos Dimou historian? ? He is a well known blogger-advertiser that sells his "reaction" to anything. And the biggest "PWNED" comes from this Dimou himself. Since in his website he published a reply to the journalist of NYtimes because he wrote other things that Dimou said. In his article "I don't give interview anymore" www.ndimou.gr/newsarticle_gr.asp?news_id=374he says: " My translation: With the opportunity of the opening of the new Museum(Acropolis) I gave a two hours interview to Michael Kimmelman, culture guru of New York Times. From that interview he took some parts and published them in the article he wrote in NYT. Today it was republished by International Herald Tribune in the version that published in Greece. Among other, I supposed to say that: Ανάμεσα σε άλλα εκεί φέρομαι να λέω: “We used to speak Albanian and call ourselves Romans, but then Winckelmann, Goethe, Victor Hugo, Delacroix, they all told us, ‘No, you are Hellenes, direct descendants of Plato and Socrates,’ and that did it. If a small, poor nation has such a burden put on its shoulders, it will never recover.” Of course I didn't say that. I said that these period most of the inhabitants of Attica were speaking arvanitika(which is a fact) and called themselved Romioi. But the journalist to make it more emphatic, he generalized it....(to all Greeks) .... .... ...[/i] PWNED... That the villagers of Attica were Arvanites isn't anything new... PS.Bato...be careful next time...you are a joke today...
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Post by Patrinos on Oct 25, 2010 16:02:00 GMT -5
are you bato's second nickname? no, are you really part alb? lol
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Post by Patrinos on Oct 25, 2010 15:34:31 GMT -5
patrinos, don't u get tired of always being proved wrong? when u get owned u always resort to childish arguments, stop picking on people with far more knowledge and superior intellect, just coz u put albanians down don't mean you are contributing anything of worth to the topic, do yourself a favor and stop insulting and look at the hundreds of examples and sources, forget the blogs, attaboy. are you bato's second nickname?
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Post by Patrinos on Oct 25, 2010 15:33:54 GMT -5
no. 3/4...1/4 Lab, 1/4, Gheg and 1/4 Tourkocham... the other 1/4 is Italian from Piana degli Albanesi.
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Post by Patrinos on Oct 25, 2010 15:00:53 GMT -5
This map, with the Bulgarian point of view about the ethnographic situation of Macedonia "propagandistically" don't include Pieria area in "Macedonia"...If Pieria isn't included in Macedonia what the ffucck do they include? Dobrotsarocernovskograd? Pieria was and is THE Macedonian area, always inhabited by Greeks. To exlude Dion from Macedonia is like exlude Athens from Attica...
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Post by Patrinos on Oct 25, 2010 13:54:33 GMT -5
Well we have to ask Scanderbeg's manager and his personal photographer if he's got anything bato since you are so good at recognising the date of masterpieces i would like to ask you opinion in something: I bought the painting above and I gave 300000 euros because they said me that its a 13th century byzantine creation, by a well known Thessalonician painter. Some say that I was cheated... what do you think...? ;D
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Post by Patrinos on Oct 25, 2010 13:35:25 GMT -5
It's the national costume of Greece. What's Albania's? Where are the pics of Kastrioti wearing one? George Kastrioti, Skanderbeg, Albania - Iconography(1403) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D this is the greatest malakia/bs ever written in Illyria forums!!!!!!! That icon is from an 2004 exhibition in Athens ;D ;D ;D Look who others the ...........1403 iconographer(as BATO CLAIMED) drawn.... : The well known Venetian captain of the battle of Lepanto...Che Guevara Simon Bolivar, the head of the 7th crusade... Amundsen, the leader of the Normans of the Two SIcilies... Induist monk of 1403 living in Konstantinoupolis the know guy... the 1403( ) iconographer made a good job... black slave in the streets of Genoa, 1410 The prosopography of Jekins Han, contemporary... Rus knight Ioannes Cashious, Cardinal, ca. 1430 www.prosopa.eu/index.phpPS. the statue of Kastrioti you posted is not more than 50 years old. its the commie style...obvious... edit: the statue was built after 1982 when the museum in Kruja was built. ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Patrinos on Oct 25, 2010 13:21:48 GMT -5
what Kin HB? The Turks of Thrace went to Turkey in the population exchange. They are NOT Greek Muslims. They speak Turkish. Selanik, Gumulcine are all areas inhabited by Turks. And the Lausanne Treaty does not help Turks or other minorities in Greece, as all the population of Greece are classified as ethnically Greek, which isn't true. There are Turks, Pomak, Bulgarians, and Macedonians, and Albanian people in Greece. Nobody denies that they are not Turks the one who claim themselves as Turks. We don't accept Turkey's attempts to turkify all the western Thrace Muslims(Pomaks and Gypsies). Otherwise they wouldn't have all the rights that a minority should have in any civilized country, local media in their language, public schools in turkish, eclected representatives in the parliament, free religious life(with freedoms that a E.U. countries shouldn't accept, like the authorities the local mufti has.... ) ... Solely their existence in Greece is the proof that we respected them and from around 60.000 they are now over 100000 (Pomaks, and Gypsies included). IN CONTRAST the Greek population agreed in the above convention living in Constantinoupolis, Imvros and Tenedos is vanished and exhausted by the Kemalist regimes all these decades, with unbelievable ways... so from around 120000 on 1923 there are now about 2500 old men and women...
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Post by Patrinos on Oct 25, 2010 12:48:34 GMT -5
"Patriots" can attack leftists as "provoking". Again, I trust a person who is reputed rather than a blog. Especially when he is far from alone in this. And Fritz' description described the traditional Alb plis. Does he say anything about the legs? What? He is describing the ...plis... wtf... i though that at least you can understand english since you live there... "And then after spending a few days, we passed through the city of Ulcinj, which belongs to the king of Rascia (2), and sailed to Durrës, a city once famous and mighty by land and sea, subject to the emperor of the Greeks but now belonging to the prince of Romania (3), the brother of the aforementioned king of Jerusalem (4), (this city) being in the province of Albania. It should be noted that Albania is a province between Slavonia (5) and Romania, having a language of its own and which the aforementioned schismatic King of Rascia has subjected to his rule. For the Albanians themselves are schismatics, using the rites of the Greeks and are entirely like them in their dress and manner. For like the Greeks, they rarely if ever wear the cowl, but rather a white hat lowered almost flat to the front and raised at the back so that their hair, the length and beauty of which they are extremely proud, may appear more attractive to the eyes of the beholder. The Slavs on the other hand, of whom mention was made above, wear a white hat, oblong and round, on the top of which their nobles stick a long feather in order to be distinguished and recognized more easily by the peasants and common people. " 1322, Simon Fitzsimons: Itinerary from Ireland to the Holy Land He is describing this: 194.177.217.107/gr/showpic.asp?gotonumber=&vmagnification=500&picpath=9999_min_01_143v&curTable=miniatures&curRecord=171&vorder=171&vmode=previousthe kamelaukion...
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Post by Patrinos on Oct 25, 2010 12:42:15 GMT -5
I ascribe to Gerolymatos' thesis that the Greeks willfully adopted the clothing from Albanian robber bands in the 19th century. He has enough written sources on him to make a conclusion and have more of a reason to believe the Head of the Hellenic Studies Department at a noted Canadian University than some online blog. leftists can say many things just to provoke the...patriots...
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Post by Patrinos on Oct 25, 2010 12:30:43 GMT -5
What I am stating is that Frangu depicted the Ottomans in the way they were stereotyped in the west but did not do so for Albs, since they were Christian and therefore likely to wear any clothing possibly assigned to a christian group. that clothing isn't assigned to a christian group generally. You can't find Italians depicted like that... don't insist to be idiotic... "And then after spending a few days, we passed through the city of Ulcinj, which belongs to the king of Rascia (2), and sailed to Durrës, a city once famous and mighty by land and sea, subject to the emperor of the Greeks but now belonging to the prince of Romania (3), the brother of the aforementioned king of Jerusalem (4), (this city) being in the province of Albania. It should be noted that Albania is a province between Slavonia (5) and Romania, having a language of its own and which the aforementioned schismatic King of Rascia has subjected to his rule. For the Albanians themselves are schismatics, using the rites of the Greeks and are entirely like them in their dress and manner. For like the Greeks, they rarely if ever wear the cowl, but rather a white hat lowered almost flat to the front and raised at the back so that their hair, the length and beauty of which they are extremely proud, may appear more attractive to the eyes of the beholder. The Slavs on the other hand, of whom mention was made above, wear a white hat, oblong and round, on the top of which their nobles stick a long feather in order to be distinguished and recognized more easily by the peasants and common people. " 1322, Simon Fitzsimons: Itinerary from Ireland to the Holy Land hahahahahahahahahha... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D they're Orc combined with Elfs.... wtf ;D ;D ;D ;D i can't stop laughing... ;D 50kg warrior men...
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Post by Patrinos on Oct 25, 2010 12:28:41 GMT -5
I dont think that the fustanella has existed in the same sense 500 years ago. It evolved and finally was statified in the late 18th century and then conceptualized. It could have existed in some form prior and probably did, but it did not have the same designation. Because you have a kilt it doesnt make it a fustanelle. this is what i believe too. because there isn't any refference for pleated kilts before the late 18th century. So who was the Albanian fashion designer that in 10 years managed to spread that fashion from the southest peak of Peloponnese to north Macedonia...?
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Post by Patrinos on Oct 25, 2010 12:25:59 GMT -5
Frangu depicted the Ottoman in the typical fashion: wearing a turban and turban clothing. In fact any oriental is depicted as such in medieval texts, even Persians invading Athens in the 5th century. Its a stereotypical Ottoman depiction and is not concerned with realism but with perceived realism. Cyrus the great: farm4.static.flickr.com/3107/3174531904_b8c09cb36f.jpgBellini depicted a single Albanian as he saw him in Istanbul. He was never in Albania to depict him. and the tall hat and the long garment that clothes the Albos? was he inspired by Tanzanians? Since i don't think that was anything stereotypical for Albos then...they were relatively new in the things...
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Post by Patrinos on Oct 25, 2010 12:21:30 GMT -5
you are an idiot or you're playing it... ? According to your logic no depiction has any value... The way that this Frangu depicted the Ottomans properly he didn't have any reason to depict Albanians non realistic, since that tall hats are recorded to be worn by Albos... The same goes for Bellini's. we ..."took" the fustanella in 1821...? LOL...wasn't the Arvanites that brought them to us 4-5 centuries before??? ... decide what you propose guys...don't confuse your little alvanika minds...
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Post by Patrinos on Oct 25, 2010 12:17:04 GMT -5
ahhahah those are cartoon comic books pics Patra we give you old real pics and sculptors and then real now time albanians wearing them do you mean the two last... you are talking sshhit but ignore them...look at the three first... and cut that crap with that hat...you are ridiculous. And since you like Odysseus and his hat... write to us some words in the language of Odysseus...
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Post by Patrinos on Oct 25, 2010 12:13:09 GMT -5
The two first depictions are the most contemporary pictures of depicting Albanians at this age, by an Albanian hand! It can't be bato to be right in 2010 and that albo Dhemeter Frangu be wrong at 1480......yes?
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