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Post by terroreign on Jan 22, 2011 5:21:04 GMT -5
And I hope you never call a Muslim from Bar a Bosniak to his face, he'd get real pissed off
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Post by terroreign on Jan 23, 2011 16:40:07 GMT -5
^the tags say "krajina" too....Bar is the name of the whole municipality
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Post by Arthur Kane on Jan 23, 2011 23:19:53 GMT -5
^It's by unbiased and reputable authors drinus, not to mention Americans. I don't know about that. There is no actual reference to the claim made in that link you provided. And there is a foot note citing Professor Jovan Cvijic, a Serbian historian if I'm not mistaking. I believe this information is drawn heavily from Cvijic's work but published in an American book. Now I'm no expert in the inner workings of Balkan nationalism but if I'm mistaking didn't Prof. Cvijic endorse the proposal of Greater Serbia? Was not also some of his work highly controversial? I don't think anyone disputes the claim that various Balkan lands in the Middle Ages frequently changed hands and I don't see why Skroder would be any different in terms of falling under the rule of the most powerful despot at any given time. The question really is whether the people were actually medieval Serbians or Albanians or maybe even something else, isn't it? What do you think of the claim that many Slavic Montenegrins today could really be Slav Albanians? This is one I've heard before.
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Post by terroreign on Jan 23, 2011 23:57:37 GMT -5
The footnote cites Cvijic as basis for the spelling in the Vlachs article.
The source was written in 1918 by Americans from Harvard University, this source I swear upon.
Now find me an equally legitimate source that states that Scutari/Skadar was populated by Albanians in the middle ages and then this is up for debate.
We're not discussing Skadar switching hands, we're talking about Skadar being settled by Slavs in the 6th century and being predominantly Serb until Ottoman conquest. That's what we're talking about here Arthur Kane welcome to the discussion.
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Post by plisbardhi on Jan 24, 2011 0:06:31 GMT -5
If an American from Harvard also says that you're a slavicized Albanian and yet you still believe your largely a............... Sarmatian, then whats the point of discussing anything with you at all?
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Post by terroreign on Jan 24, 2011 0:19:01 GMT -5
"According to their traditions the tribes of northern Albania are of mixed origin, Albano-Serb. They consider themselves related to the Serbian tribes of Montenegro. The national hero of the Albanians, Skanderbeg, was, as is well known, of Serbo-Albanian origin."What's this about us being slavicized Albanians?
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Post by plisbardhi on Jan 24, 2011 0:45:27 GMT -5
I'm talking about physical anthropology, you're quoting second or third hand sources.
I'd quote you Coon but I know you're already well aquainted with what he said about Montenegrins, you just choose to disregard it so you can feel good about being an ethnic Serb.
You're basically just trying to disassociate yourself from any ethnic ties to Albs. The easiest way you've figured instead of denial is to try to turn the tables to show a major Serb ethnic influence on Albanians. Its a case of going on the offense as a strong defense since you can't really refute the extensive material out there that contradicts you.
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Post by terroreign on Jan 24, 2011 0:56:36 GMT -5
^Coon is far from reputable plis, and there was a time when I encouraged brotherhood on here, but all I heard was "dirty slavs" "rat slavs" ect.
I have nothing against albs...but that you have substantial Serb blood is undeniable.
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Post by plisbardhi on Jan 24, 2011 1:26:32 GMT -5
^ Coon is VERY reputable as far as physical anthropology goes. He fell out of favor with western academia as the result of physical anth. being bashed by the liberal elite since anything having to do with studying race became a no no. I know your into ph. antho. so don't knock Coon if you have any honor at all.
Sorry but our features do not come anywhere close to indicating we a have substantial Serb blood.
And its because of guys like Vidomir Salipur that we call you guys dirty Slavs and because of guys like you that we call you rat Slavs.
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Post by terroreign on Jan 25, 2011 16:48:48 GMT -5
^ Coon is VERY reputable as far as physical anthropology goes. He fell out of favor with western academia as the result of physical anth. being bashed by the liberal elite since anything having to do with studying race became a no no. I know your into ph. antho. so don't knock Coon if you have any honor at all. Sorry but our features do not come anywhere close to indicating we a have substantial Serb blood. And its because of guys like Vidomir Salipur that we call you guys dirty Slavs and because of guys like you that we call you rat Slavs. Coon makes the point that Montenegrins and Northern Albanians look similar, then elaborates and notes cultural similarities and wrongfully comes up with the conclusion that he does, that which he being just a physical anthropologist, doesn't have the expertise to make. Taking his studies seriously, all it means is that Montenegrins and Malesors look and act alike, that's all. Vidomir was only reacting to the nationalistic hostility that was prominent amongst Kosovo Albs, and I'm just replying to the Albanian fanatic hysteria which often occurs here.
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Post by plisbardhi on Jan 25, 2011 17:35:16 GMT -5
I would argue that he in fact does have the expertise to make the conclusions he does. I can't think of anyone else who's studied the peoples and cultures in question from such and angle and with such precision. I recommend you read his study Mountains of Giants.
He was known for terrorizing the Albanian population of Peja before the hostilities began, then finally when the war started he went all out like the sadistic pig he was. Ofcourse there's gonna be prominent "nationalistic hostility" when you have hundreds of Vidomirs all round Kosova doing their "patriotic duties".
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Post by terroreign on Jan 25, 2011 19:28:22 GMT -5
^Well that's on you. One thing physical anthropologists often forget they're not, is historians. I've glanced at it, I'll take another look soon.
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