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Post by yeni on Jun 8, 2009 8:44:56 GMT -5
congrats to Elena Basescu, more hot chicks to the European Parliament!
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Post by yeni on Jun 7, 2009 15:44:38 GMT -5
results in Hungary
turnout 36,28%
Fidesz-KDNP 56,37 %, 14 MEPs MSZP 17,37 %, 4 Jobbik 14,77% 3 MDF 5,3% 1
22 MEPs total
other parties
LMP-Humanista párt 2,60 % SZDSZ 2,16 % Munkáspárt 0,96 % MCF-Roma összefogás 0,47 %
Hun parties in other countries:
Slovakia:
MKP (SMK) 11,33%, 2 mandates
Romania:
I haven't found official datas yet
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RMDSZ (UDMR) 8,92 %, 3
MKP, RMDSZ well done!
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Post by yeni on Jun 6, 2009 10:48:53 GMT -5
Go Albania! beat the Portuguese!
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Post by yeni on Jun 4, 2009 9:04:42 GMT -5
Or the opposite, the Bashkirs back then could speak a different language. Don’t forget, we have Hungarian language manuscripts from that period, the Halotti beszéd, the Ó magyar Mária siralom (they are not Turkic texts) but i doubt there is info about the Bashkir language in that era. But neverless the Bashkir-Hungarian connection is very interesting, 1. they live in the territory of ’Magna Hungaria’, the site of the Magyar urheimat, 2. there are medieval sources which call Hungarians Bashkirs (like the already mentioned Abu Hamid Garnati, who travelled large territories in Eastern Europe and also lived a few years in Hungary, he called the Magyars ’Bashgird’), 3. there are some Bashkir tribe names similar or close to the Hungarian tribe names. Of course these can mean different things, both the Magyars and the Bashkirs assimilated Bulgars, or the Bashkirs assimilated Magyars who remained there, or both happened, who knows.
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Post by yeni on Jun 3, 2009 13:26:52 GMT -5
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%B6sz%C3%B6rm%C3%A9nythx for sharing this article wbb (btw mi a helyzet a cicamokuszokkal? ), its quite well written, includes most info what is known about islam in medieval Hungary. Böszörmény From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search Böszörmény, also Izmaleita (Hysmaelita) or Szerecsen (Saracenus), is the denomination for the Muslims who lived in the Kingdom of Hungary in the 10-13th centuries. Some of the böszörménys probably joined the federation of the seven Magyar tribes during the 9th century, and later smaller groups of Muslims arrived to the Carphatian Basin. They were engaged in trading but some of them were employed as mercenaries by the kings of Hungary. Their rights were gradually restricted from the 11th century and they were persuaded to be baptized, following the establishment of the Christian Kingdom of Hungary. They disappeared (probably became Christian) by the end of the 13th century.
Contents [hide] 1 Their origins 2 Muslim territories in the Kingdom of Hungary 3 The Muslims' life in the kingdom 4 Muslims in the 13th century 5 See also 6 References 7 Sources 8 External links
[edit] Their origins Modern authors claim that several groups of Moslims arrived to the Carpathian Basin in the course of the 10th-12th centuries; therefore, the Moslims living in the Kingdom of Hungary were composed of different ethnic groups. Most of them must have arrived from Volga Bulgaria, but toponyms suggest that Muslim (káliz: khalyzians) people arrived also from Khwarezm; the latter (or part of them) may have formed one of the three tribes of the Kabars who joined the federation of the Magyar tribes in the 9th century.
The Arab historian and geographer, al-Mas'ūdī recorded in the 10th century that the heads of the tribal confederation had welcomed Muslim merchants and the merchants could even convert some of the Magyars into Islam.[1] Al-Bakrī also mentioned that the Magyars ransomed the Muslims who had been captured in the neighboring countries.[1] In the 10th century, Ibrahim ibn Yaqub described the Muslim merchants who arrived to Prague from the territories of the Magyars and traded with slaves and tin.[1] The Gesta Hungarorum recorded that lots of Muslims arrived to the Carpathian Basin from Volga Bulgaria during the reign of Taksony, Grand Prince of the Magyars (c. 955 - before 972) and they settled down there.[1]
The work of the Muslim traveler, Abu Hamid al-Garnati, who spent three years in the kingdom (1150-1153), proves that the Muslims living in the Kingdom of Hungary were composed of two groups: the Khwarezmians and the "Maghrebians" (who were probably Oghuz Turks).[1] He was entrusted by King Géza II of Hungary to recruit soldiers among the Maghrebians living east of the Carpathian Basin.[1] The Byzantine historian, John Kinnamos mentioned that káliz warriors were captured during the war between the kingdom and the Byzantine Empire in 1165 and the Emperor Manuel I Komnenos removed some of them to Byzantine territories.[1]
[edit] Muslim territories in the Kingdom of Hungary The Muslims settled down in several groups in the Carpathian Basin. Their largest communities lived in the southern parts of the Kingdom of Hungary in Syrmia and in region where the Drava joines the Danube. Other significant groups of Muslims lived in and around Pest, in the Nyírség (around Hajdúböszörmény) and around Nyitra (today Nitra in Slovakia).[1]
The Arab geographer, Yaqut al-Hamawi mentioned that Muslims from the Kingdom of Hungary were studying in Aleppo in the beginning of the 13th century. The students arrived to Aleppo from a frontier region of the kingdom where the Moslims lived in 30 settlements.[1]
[edit] The Muslims' life in the kingdom Most of the Muslims in the Kingdom of Hungary were engaged in trading and they were rich enough to lease royal revenues in the 13th century. Other Muslims were employed in the kings' army and took part in the wars against the Byzantine Empire. Yaqut al-Hamawi's work proves that the Muslims population spoke the Hungarian language by the beginning of the 13th century.[1]
Royal decrees issued in the second half of the 11th century demonstrates that the kings of Hungary started to persecute the Muslims to convert into Christianity. King Ladislaus I of Hungary prescribed that converted Muslims who continued to follow their former costums were to be removed from their original settlements. King Coloman of Hungary ordened that each Muslim settlements had to build a church and he prohibited the marriage between Muslims. Probably in the next century, the kings also prohibited the building of walls around Muslim settlements.
By the period of King Géza II (1141-1162), the káliz people could practise their faith only in secrecy. The "Maghrebian" soldiers followed oppenly the Islam, but it was Abu Hamid al-Garnati who taught them several Islamic traditions. Upon his request, the king even permitted to the "Magrhrebians" to have concubines.[1]
[edit] Muslims in the 13th century The Golden Bull of King Andrew II prohibited the employment of Muslims as minters and tax collectors.[2] The king, however, continued to employ them in his administration. On 3 March 1231, Pope Gregory IX requested the prelates of the kingdom to protest against this practise and also authorized them to use ecclesiastical penalties for this reason.[2] In the same year, King Andrew had to confirm the provisions of the Golden Bull but he still employed Muslims. Therefore, on 25 February 1232, Archbishop Robert of Esztergom placed the Kingdom of Hungary under an interdict and excommunicated some high dignitaries of the king.[2] Pope Gregory IX sent a legate to the kingdom who reached an agreement with King Andrew on 20 August 1233 in Bereg.[2]
Under the agreement, the Muslims and the Jews could not hold royal offices and they were obliged to wear distinctive cloths. However, the king did not fulfil all the provisions of the agreement and therefore he was excommunicated but he was absolved soon. On 10 December 1239, Pope Gregory IX even authorized King Béla IV of Hungary to lease his revenues to non-Christians.[2]
Nevertheless, following the Mongol invasion of the kingdom (1241-1242) references to the Muslims in the kingdom became scarce. In 1290, King Ladislaus IV of Hungary appointed a former Muslim, Mizse to the office of the Palatine.
The böszörmény denomination is preserved as a family name and in toponyms, such as Hajdúböszörmény.[3] this topic started with a youtube video about massacre in Szeklerland in 1944 and now ends here, lol
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Post by yeni on May 27, 2009 1:30:50 GMT -5
Sh1 Shonić Shonic Legally the Hit Gyülekezete is a church, they are not different from lets say the Magyar Református Egyház (Reformed/Calvinist Church), or the "Bulgarian Orthodox Church of Hungary" or the "Hindu Vaishnava Church" etc. they have the same rights. And in practice the Hit Gyülekezete is among the more powerfull churches, they own newspaper, television, school even a theological academy.. anyways I found an english translation of the Hungarian Act IV of 1990 on the freedom of conscience and religion, and the churches www2.misha.fr/flora/doc/ILEGI/hon1990-IVeng.pdffrom section 8 starts the relevant parts about church registration.
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Post by yeni on May 26, 2009 22:37:12 GMT -5
Evangelical Church is not recognized as a church in Serbia same goes for Hungary.What does "evangelical church" means here? pentacostal, adventist or other stuff? in Hungary the historical Lutheran Church is called "Evangelical" (evangélikus) but there are recognized neo-protestant churches too, similar to the american neo-protestants. the biggest of them is the Hit Gyülekezete www.hit.hu/eng/index.htmlAnd any religious group can become a church, they only need 100 members who accept the statutes (alapszabály) of the church and it can't violate the laws of the country. According to the APEH (tax authority) in 2009 there are 171 registered churches in Hun. www.apeh.hu/szja1_1/technszam2009/tech_2009.html?query=egyh%C3%A1zeven the scientology church is recognized here, so i doubt that any christian sect would be illegal
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Post by yeni on May 26, 2009 18:01:50 GMT -5
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Post by yeni on May 17, 2009 18:12:42 GMT -5
If we lived that time, we would not have any other option. if the country calls, we must go... yeah but don't forget most of those became good Hungarians later and they refounded villages, contributed to the Hun economy, gave new life to the depopulated areas. Big part of the Serbs became problematic later, but the overwhelming majority of the German settlers ( Germans in and around Buda, Germans in Baranya, Banat Germans etc) became loyal Hungarian citizens. I wouldn't be surprised if majority of todays Hungarians have at least 1-2 ancestors who came in the 18th century. thats true the Romanians were the least loyal though they had some politicians who supported Hungary (Ioan Dragoº was a good guy for example, but he was murdered by Iancu's men..) there were much more Germans or Slovaks who sided with the Hungarian cause (big majority of Slovaks fought in the Hun army and not in pro Austria units of Ludovit Stur)
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Post by yeni on May 17, 2009 11:55:32 GMT -5
www.austro-hungarian-army.co.uk/orb14.htmu can find statistics here about the ethnic makeup of the Austro-Hungarian army by regiments on the bottom of the page click on Common Army Infantry & Jäger Ethnicity Common Army Cavalry Ethnicity Austrian & Hungarian Landwehr Infantry Ethnicity Austrian & Hungarian Landwehr Cavalry Ethnicity Common Army, Austrian & Hungarian Landwehr Field Artillery Ethnicity of course the desertion rates were high among the Slavic and Romanian soldiers, but still there were many who fought in the army as good soldiers. about ww2, do you think the ethnic Romanian Hungarian citizens were not conscripted? i don't have the book at hand but if you are interested, Ungváry Krisztián: A Magyar Honvédség a második világháborúban contains some ethnic statistics about the Hungarian occupation forces in the Soviet Union.
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Post by yeni on May 16, 2009 6:48:20 GMT -5
Next time yeni you should think twice before editing the title of my thread well sorry it just hurt my eye when i see topic titles like "dirty X or Y ethnic group". The standards are not too high here in illyria, but we should not go below a certain level... would you like it if other ppl write here "dirty hungarians" or "dirty hungarian animal" ? i have two options, edit your ethnic slur chit or allow others too to chit here. now the decision is yours (because im in a democratic mood now, ), will you edit your post (the "mocskos roman allat") or i should allow Romanians too to use the same language in the Hun forum?
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Post by yeni on May 15, 2009 16:03:48 GMT -5
What's with the 3rd picture from Hungary. Where's the rest of the dzamija? that minaret is from Eger. The Kethüda dzsami itself was demolished in 1841 during some city replanning.
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Post by yeni on May 15, 2009 11:06:56 GMT -5
Bosnyák (as a family name) also exist in Hungary, there was a very infamous antisemite activist during ww2 called Bosnyák Zoltán. lol he was catholic, so most likely descendant of Bosniak refugees from Ottoman conquest.
Ottoman traces in Hungary: two mosques in Pécs (Jakovalli Haszán and Gazi Kaszim, the first is still used by muslims, the other now a church), one mosque in Siklós (Malkocs beg), two mosques in Szigetvár (one named after Sultan Suleyman i think museum now?, other named after a certain Ali pasha, now a church), an ottoman karavanseray also stand there, one mosque (Özicseli Hadzsi Ibrahim) was recently found in Esztergom and restored i think its a museum now, two minarets without mosque building remained (one in the city of Eger, another in Érd), i know about two Ottoman turbes (Idris baba's turbe in Pécs and Gül Baba's türbe in Budapest), there are also few turkish bath (hamam) remained in Budapest, then i know a very small Ottoman cemetary outside the Buda castle and theres the symbolic tomb of the last Ottoman pasha of Buda in the castle. in one of the catholic churches of Budapest the mihrab is still seen (so it was used as a mosque during Ottoman times). plus a few place names from that time. these are those i know, but there can be more, so its not a complite list.
muslim population didn't survive the Habsburg conquest, there were three options for them 1. migration to the Ottoman Empire, 2. conversion to catholicism 3. death.
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Post by yeni on May 15, 2009 10:13:13 GMT -5
maºallah, çok güzel cami!
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Post by yeni on May 15, 2009 10:10:17 GMT -5
^ agree, i read some Hungarian books from the 19th century and there also the population of Bosnia are called "bosnyákok" = "bosniaks" regardless their religion. And catholic refugees who left Bosnia during the Ottoman conquest are also called bosniaks, for example the baranyai bosnyákok (Bosniaks of Baranya/Baranjski Bošnjaci). of course with the development of nationalism now they adopt Croat identity. hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bo%C5%A1njaci_(Hrvati_u_Ma%C4%91arskoj)
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Post by yeni on May 12, 2009 18:28:06 GMT -5
nice photos thanks for sharing it! do any of you know this book? opinion? www.militaria.at/Book.aspx?book=9009000&Language=deDes Kaisers Bosniaken Bošnjaci u carskoj službi The Emperor’s Bosniaks "Content Bosnia-Herzegovina was occupied by Austria-Hungary in 1878, annexed in 1908 and was part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire until 1918. This book, illustrated in colour, with 352 pages and nearly 600 photographs, presents a picture of the Bosnian soldiers in the Austro-Hungarian army and their military history under Austro-Hungarian administration. Starting with the political and military reasons for the occupation, through the annexation to the end of the First World War, it takes the reader to a world that at the time was seen as highly exotic. The Bosniaks, who were seen as an elite group within the k.u.k. Army and who – with their strange uniform and fez headgear – attracted much attention from the various formations of the Austro-Hungarian Army, are the focus of the book. This richly illustrated volume also offers a detailed view of the uniforms, equipment and weaponry of the Bosniaks, from the formation of the Bosnian-Herzegovinian infantry and Jäger troops to their first deployment in the First World War, 1914 –1918. Finally, short biographies of numerous well-known people who served with the Bosniaks, for instance the once Austrian President, Dr Adolf Schärf, give the Old Army a face. Feared by their enemies, respected by their comrades for their fighting spirit, the Bosnian-Herzegovinian troops were a reliable component of the Austro-Hungarian Army until the end of the First World War. This book, produced in co-operation with the Heeresgeschichtliches Museum Vienna, the Austrian Federal Armed Forces and the Army Museum Budapest, as well as private collectors, is also a project intended to bring together different religious and ethnic groups." Otto von Habsburg (current head of the Habsburg dynasty) reading it ;D
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Post by yeni on Apr 30, 2009 17:08:26 GMT -5
An American video about Budapest from 1938.
wbb: from this video it seems that Nagy Magyarorszag garden was in the Szabadság square.
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Post by yeni on Apr 29, 2009 12:48:40 GMT -5
What is illegal in autonomy? There are several existing autonom territories in the world, Huns in Romania want the same what Catalans have in Spain, or Swedes have in Finland.
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Post by yeni on Apr 23, 2009 4:20:23 GMT -5
I remember seeing Hungarian movie some years ago it was about a half Hungarian half South American guy, who was fighting on the side of the Croats against the Serbs in the 1990's. Did this movie have any connection to Eduardo , there seem to be some similarities. that was him, and he played himself in that movie www.imdb.com/title/tt0251636/
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Post by yeni on Apr 21, 2009 19:37:17 GMT -5
www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/world/2009/0422/1224245137207.htmlSuspected gang leader returned to 'homeland' DANIEL McLAUGHLIN in Budapest EDUARDO ROZSA Flores, the suspected leader of a gang accused of plotting to assassinate Bolivian president Evo Morales, returned to his homeland to co-ordinate armed resistance against government forces if they launched a crackdown on an opposition stronghold. In an interview recorded before he left Hungary for Bolivia last autumn, Mr Flores said unnamed figures had asked him to come back to his birthplace, Santa Cruz, to help stem what he called a surge of violence from pro-government militias against critics of Mr Morales. Mr Flores was killed alongside Irishman Michael Dwyer and Hungarian Arpad Magyarosi last Thursday in a special forces raid on their hotel in Santa Cruz, which is the centre of mostly mestizo opposition to a Morales administration that is dominated by indigenous Bolivians. Mr Morales’ critics calls him a communist, while he accuses them of being far-right reactionaries. “I don’t imagine myself as some kind of Rambo or Superman, but I do have some experience of war,” said Mr Flores in an interview shown for the first time last night on Hungarian television, in reference to his time fighting for Croatia in its 1991-5 war for independence from Yugoslavia. “If conflict begins, Santa Cruz needs someone to go home and help. They called me to organise the defence of Santa Cruz, because indigenous militias and pro-government elements are causing trouble there,” he said. Mr Flores expected to fly to Brazil and then be smuggled into Bolivia, where a car would take him to Santa Cruz. There, he said, he would “start work” immediately and acquire guns. While acknowledging that the Bolivian intelligence services knew who he was, Mr Flores said he would be relatively secure in the opposition stronghold in south-eastern Bolivia. “The government is less able to send a person, or a group, to get someone in Santa Cruz,” he said, while also insisting that he did not fear death on his mission. “This is my homeland and my obligation,” said Mr Flores, who was born in Santa Cruz to a Hungarian father and Spanish mother in 1960, lived in Hungary for much of his life but travelled widely, supported a vast array of causes and converted from Catholicism to Islam in recent years. “Something could hit me on the head and kill me here,” he said before leaving Hungary.“But now I am going to my homeland and if it happens there, then it means it is written and that it happens in the right place.” While Mr Morales’ officials claim the gang was intent on killing top figures including the president, critics in Santa Cruz call the security operation a bloody pretext for a crackdown on opposition groups. Hungary’s government said yesterday that it doubted the official Bolivian version of what happened in Santa Cruz, and asked for more information on the incident.
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